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Did lots of fire support in this list to support the assaulty side of this army.

And this list is mostly for fun, and even if it may be played competitively a few times, it's mostly a list just to play.

HQ:

Emperor's Champion w/ AAC 140

Reclusiarch w/ Bolt pistol 96

Marshal w/ Power Wep, Iron halo, Bolt Pistol 121

> Marshal Termie Command Squad (4 members) w/ 2 Assault Cannons, Tank Hunters, chainfist 217

Elites:

Sword Brethern w/ Power Wep, Lightning Claws, Furious Charge, Drop Pod 155

Troops:

Crusader squad (8) w/ Bolt Pistols and Chain Swords, Power Fist, Meltagun, Drop Pod 183

Crusader squad (8) w/ Bolt Pistols and Chain Swords, Power Fist, Meltagun, Drop Pod 183

Crusader squad (8) w/ Bolt Pistols and Chain Swords, Power Fist, Meltagun, Drop Pod 183

Fast Attack:

Land Speeder (1) w/ Typhoon 70

Land Speeder (1) w/ Typhoon 70

Land Speeder (1) w/ Typhoon 70

Grand Total: 1488

I think the only drop pod an enemy will be really scared by is the assault cannons.
Drop pods work well when you can land as much short ranged fire power as possible first turn, then really lay into the enemy. You haven't really done this.

I dislike your HQ set up. I can not remember why but I used to like techmarines in crusader drop pods, I dare say this has changed, that may be a better choice of IC if you want one.

I would bring something to deal with flyers.

Typhoons are awesome bring more.

That is all I have

But Rhinos seem a poor choice now, cause they'll be glanced to death so easily. Drop Pods are just a means to get them there quicker to the enemy. And they sure as hell are cheaper than running them in Land Raiders, and still more reliable than Land Raiders.

I chose the Chaplain to give a squad a little bit more finesse in their close combat, since AAC doesn't give out re-rolls. I chose the marshal too to give me that squad. Truth be told, I should probably drop the chaplain after looking at this list.

Won't the Typhoons be able to deal with the flyers? I don't know how Flyers work.

I only have one more that I desperately wanted to throw into this list. I'll try working it in.

Thanks for the input!

Yes, rhinos are a poor choice.
The issue you have is when you land, you will get a turn to shoot, then the enemy gets to shoot you and maybe assault themselves. Your crusaders kick out a bolt pistol shots and a melta, before the incoming barrage and then they may not be able to use the rage or LoH :( with the fist only getting 1 attack

Even assault termies when they land, a turn of shoot can be disasterous. Rapid fire plamsa guns, and even rapid fire bolters kill termies too easily.

I am not against drop pods. More that you should land with 2 units of shooty terminators, they will land and make a mess. Then maybe another pod with a few meltaguns, they will also make a nice mess.
You can then have crusader pods land the turn after with mostly bolters to clear up the mess.

You can only snap fire at flyers, unless you have the skyfire special rule.
Without allies, all you have if fortifications. I would bring an ADL with quadgun, then hide a couple of shooty crusader squad behind it. The quadgun has skyfire and also interceptor special rules.
Shooting at BS1 against flyers means TL becomes a reasonable mechanic. A TL BS1 gun shoots nearly as well as BS2.

With only a couple of exceptions flyers are not brilliant. Most are easy pickings if you have some skyfire. However, nearly all flyers left untended, will make a mess of your army.

Techmarines are totally worth the points imo. Full servo-harness can give you a 2 wound, 2 shooting attacks (bolter/flamer/twin linked plasma pistol) 2 PW attacks, and 2 PF attacks, plus throw a storm shield on him for a 2+ 3++. great for 120 some odd points.

Also... you have 3 HQ choices? Thats not valid.... unless theres something I am missing.

I now see what you mean with the drop pods. Maybe I should drop the third Crusader squad, and the sword brethren and thrown another squad in a DP. That should do the trick.
Thanks for explaining yourself

That's a shame...

How many points is the ADL? And I've heard things about HQ's being able to use their BS with the ADL.

@J99

But they seem overshadowed by choices like the Marshal.

Yeah, the Emperor's Champ doesn't count against my HQ allowance.

But your list has 2 marshals, and a chaplain? I know you cannot use the EC anymore... Which, is fine with me. He is not the strongest HQ to have.

Also, your ADL is 100 points. 50 for the defense line, and 50 for the quad gun. You are also correct about using a IC BS for shooting the weapon.

Are you adding the marshal to the Termie command squad? I believe you need to have him in TDA to command terminators. I may be wrong, I dont have my codex on me.

No, it doesn't. It has the Marshal's Termie Command Squad listed, not a second Marshal. What do you mean we can't use the EC anymore?

Hmm. Maybe getting a Techmarine for it would work.

Yeah. I don't think it said anything about requiring a TDA HQ to lead one.

What do you mean we can't use the EC anymore?

I was just saying that we cannot use him as an HQ anymore. But he was never a good stand alone HQ imo anyways. Or I just always had bad luck with him, and he died on me... every game just about.

Ok, I just was confused with your list. But I understand it now. I always thought you needed an HQ to run in the same armor as the squad... I will have to look more into this.

Yes, a Techmarine is pretty nice compared to a normal SM one. Plus, we have an extra wound, a normal codex tech marine only has 1 wound. I converted my Techmarine to run with 2 PW, so on the charge he will have 3PW attackes, +1 for dual CC weapons, +2 for rage, then to top it off, your servo-harness gives you the extra 2 PF attacks. Its a pretty mean combo.

Ah. I see now. I liked him. He only really got decimated when I played him cause he got caught in some really bad situations.

I'll check too. I don't want to be unfair or cheat.

He seems like a good CC unit, compared to Vanilla SM Techmarines.

Yes, the EC can get in over his head really quick with the calling out of a challenge nodays.

You might be right, its just I have never seen it ran like that in a list.

I love the Techmarine, I have already ran him across the bored with a 20 man mob squad, plus "look out sir!" use the neophytes for the failed armor, run forwards when I take a causaulty. It worked out in my favor lets just say. I think lost 1 neoyphyte each shooting phase. Other then that, the Techmarine made all of his 2+ saves.

I can see that being a problem. I'm sure my Champ can take on a few sarges. But I'll have to see how he does in his battles.

People do usually run their Marshal in TDA when accompanined by Termies, but I'm mostly just buying the marshal to get those termies, as they're cheaper than getting them as a full five man squad. 40pts off is a good deal to me!

I might consider using him then. Sounds like a good choice.

Oh, I am totally with you on the command squad. I almost always run one, its cheaper then normal, like you said, and very effective. I normally have my termie command squad SGT equpied with a SS for a good 3++ save in there. I think I want to experiment with a combie-weapon on the SGT. Cause I think he has that option.

I have also ran a command squad in normal power armor too, and you can have 2 special weapons. I used that agains Necrons, DP next to a monilith with 2 melta guns... poped that the first turn! Very effective.

I usually bring Marshal + Chaplain to gain access to their Command Squads. I run both in pods and give them 2 x Meltaguns each and run them as 5 man groups. This, along with your Crusaders foot slogging with Meltas and Power Axes have done me well in most of my games. Or you can take less Foot Slogging and bring a LRC. This last Sunday I ran the following list versus a Ghaz/Mega-Nob/BW List and it dominated:

Commander Marshal - (Single Lighting Claw/Storm Shield/Adamantine Mantle/Melta Bombs/Crusader Seals)
Chaplain Reclusiarch - (Power Fist/Crozius Arcanum/Rosarius/Adamantine Mantle/Crusader Seals)
Emperor's Champion - (AACNMTO/Black Sword/Bolt Pistol/Armour of Faith/Terminator Honours/Frag Grenades/Crusader Seals)
Command Squad - (Bolters/2 Meltaguns)
Drop Pod - (Storm Bolter)
Reclusiam Squad - (Bolters/2 Meltaguns)
Drop Pod - (Storm Bolter)
10 Command Squad - (BP/CCW)
10 Crusaders - (BP/CCW/Meltagun/Power Weapon - Axe)
10 Crusaders - (BP/CCW/Meltagun/Power Weapon - Axe)
Land Raider Crusader - (Extra Armour/TW Assault Cannon/Hurricane Bolters/Multi-Melta)
Total: 1500

Note: I choose to ignore his flyer, and it wasn't a huge deal. I wouldn't run exactly this list versus an army I knew could kill the LRC at long range. I would go full foot at that time. Our FLGS as opponents exchange races a week before so you can plan appropriately.

I ran that and it did very well. I run all of my HQ's + the 10 man squad with no PW in the LRC, with the other 2 x 10 foot slogging their way there. Both squads with 2 Meltas obviously drop next to a juicy target and kill whatever they can. I would also consider running the Marshal with a PW and than giving the squad he is with a Power Axe, however I like to keep the LC on my Commander since he is modeled that way and my fluff has him with one.

Command Squads are very helpful indeed!

I do have a LRC, but to run it I wanted to run my Chaplain in it with some Hammernators. To give it a lot of Oomf!

And whats funny is, I have a Marshal set up exactly like yours! XD I love that set up. (I don't have Crusader Seals on him though)

 Demdiddydizzy wrote:
Command Squads are very helpful indeed!

I do have a LRC, but to run it I wanted to run my Chaplain in it with some Hammernators. To give it a lot of Oomf!

And whats funny is, I have a Marshal set up exactly like yours! XD I love that set up. (I don't have Crusader Seals on him though)

He gets it stock mate! Take a look at the "Options" in his entry!

Ah, I didn't see that! Thanks for pointing that out!