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After discovering that vehicles don't count as first blood (Because First Blood means that they have to cause a casuality, and vehicles are not casualties when they are removed, they are just destroyed) Do people that run off the board on a leadership test not count as casualties either? Because they are removed from the board entirely, not suffering a wound, they just die flat out.

The definition of a casualty is one that has suffered an unsaved wound and moves from a number to zero, and then is removed from the table.

So does this apply to first blood if you are removed from the table by running off the board?

Monasou wrote:
After discovering that vehicles don't count as first blood (Because First Blood means that they have to cause a casuality, and vehicles are not casualties when they are removed, they are just destroyed) Do people that run off the board on a leadership test not count as casualties either? Because they are removed from the board entirely, not suffering a wound, they just die flat out.

The definition of a casualty is one that has suffered an unsaved wound and moves from a number to zero, and then is removed from the table.

So does this apply to first blood if you are removed from the table by running off the board?

If you're playing by that definition, then the only way to actually get 'First Blood' is to sweep a unit in close combat, have it fall back to the table edge, or any other special situations where the rules specify that the entire unit is removed as casualties. Because RAW, normally only models get removed as casualties, not units.

So either essentially toss 'First Blood' out the window (for the most part) or just assume that it is supposed to apply to the first unit actually destroyed in any manner.


But to answer your specific question, yes page 30 of the rulebook specifically states that when a falling back unit reaches the table edge 'the entire unit is removed form the game as casualties'.

So this is most definitely a situation that would give up 'First Blood', whereas RAW, just killing every model in a unit would not.


P.S. - this is a stupid argument for real gameplay. IMHO, First Blood affects the first unit destroyed in any sane person's game.

Amen YakFace