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Hello all. I have recently started collecting CSM, and am wondering how to improve the following army list while retaining the original core idea and limiting the number of additional purchases needed. I would like to focus on assault and close range firepower over long distance shooting. Here is the actual list :

+++ CSM1 (1500pts) +++
+++ 1500pt Chaos Space Marines 5th Ed (2007) Roster (Standard) +++

Selections:

+ HQ + (310pts)

* Chaos Lord (160pts)
(Fearless, Independent Character, Invulnerable Save (5+))
Daemon Weapon' Mark of Khorne, Personal icon, Terminator Armour, Twin-Linked Bolter


* Chaos Lord (150pts)
(Fearless, Independent Character, Invulnerable Save (5+))
Bolt Pistol, Jump Pack / Wings, Mark of Khorne, Pair of Lightning Claws


+ Elites + (300pts)

* Chaos Terminators (300pts)
(Deep Strike)
Chainfist, Heavy Flamer, Khorne, Lightning Claws, 6x Power Weapon, 8x Terminator, 6x Twin-Linked Bolter


+ Troops + (735pts)

* Khorne Berzerkers (282pts)
(Fearless, Furious Charge, Mark of Khorne)
12x Berzerker
* Skull Champion
Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon


* Khorne Berzerkers (267pts)
(Fearless, Furious Charge, Mark of Khorne)
12x Berzerker
* Skull Champion
Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon


* Plague Marines (191)
(Fearless, Feel no Pain, Mark of Nurgle)
7x Plague Marine (), 2x Plasma Gun






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This was all done from my tablet, without access to my codex, so Battlesribe's points are yet to be checked.

And yes, this is my first list.

I would say to replace the reaper autocannon and havoc launcher with CCW.,Cut the amount of Berzerkers and put them in Rhino's. I would also recommend a Daemon Prince instead of a Chaos Lord as they are just more point efficient. If you swap it for Daemon Prince give it wings and attempt to give your plague marines a rhino. This way there will be a good amount of targets so you can get your berzerkers in close combat.

Try to edit out individual wargear/upgrade points costs.

My only advice for this list:

If you can take double Plasma Guns in a unit, do so.

Firstly you arent suppose to post point costs and probably stats.

Defilers are awesome but if you only run 1 it wont last long.
(Think pairs)

You are going no transports ... i assume your lone lord is running forward with a jump pack so he can teleport the termies where you want. Think what 1 turn of focus fire will do to him ...

What are your power weapons modeled as?

Also, it's hard to get a count of your squad size. are those 6 terminators or 60?

I don't have a single rhino and its a benefit. "No transports" is a viable army build tactic in this edition.

That said, I still refer to my previous "double up on plasma guns" post. Melta has no place in a foot slogging CSM list.

I think it looks fine, but the others above are right... CSM vehicles such as defilers are only effective when taken in pairs (or more!)

My advice if your starting Chaos Space marines is stop everything for one month. They are slated for a new codex in September according to all the rumors.

There will be chaos models in the starter set as well, so if you want to limit spending look at what is there and incorporate that into your list. That plus the Battalion and the new Codex should put you around 1000pts.

Again, don't get anything right now.

First of all, thanks every one for the feedback. I am in the process of editing out the points costs and stats, Battlescribe's copy function adds it, and, as I mentioned, I am using a tablet for all of this, so typing is rather difficult.


Turalon- Well, I do know that the codex is eight around the corner, but I am trying to build a list with what I have, and I doubt my units will actually be removed, so I think I'll be fine.

Brometheus-Doubling up and dropping Defiler.

Stratas- 8, I believe.

Tyre- Sorry. Yeah, I'm losing the Defiler until larger games with two. And the Lord runs for cover, while moving forwards, and then calls them down near him, hopefully while in the midst of the enemy. As for the power weapons, I was thinking axes. They hit harder and are proper power weapons.

Sub- Sorry, but this is not a transport list. I like infantry, but I would like to avoid tanks.





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# CSM1 (1500pts)
# 1500pt Chaos Space Marines 5th Ed (2007) Roster (Standard)
## Selections:
### HQ (310pts)
- **Chaos Lord (155pts)**

Daemon Weapon, Mark of Khorne, Terminator Armour, Twin-Linked Bolter


- **Chaos Lord (155pts)**

Bolt Pistol, Jump Pack / Wings, Mark of Khorne, Pair of Lightning Claws, Personal icon



### Elites (375pts)
- **Chaos Terminators (375pts)**

Chainfist, 2x Heavy Flamer , Khorne, Lightning Claws, 7x Power Weapon, Powerfist, 10x Terminator, 7x Twin-Linked Bolter



### Troops (815pts)
- **Chaos Space Marines (75pts)**

5x Chaos Space Marine


- **Khorne Berzerkers (282pts)**



12x Berzerker

- **Skull Champion

Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon


- **Khorne Berzerkers (267)

12x Berzerker

- **Skull Champion

Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon


- **Plague Marines (191pts)

7x Plague Marine, 2x plamagun
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