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Cause Im curious. If you kill only a member of the Royal Court thats attached to a unit when playing a Necron opponent. Does this constitute as First Blood?

Its got a clause though thats worthy of pointing out and that is if there is no Overlord or named character that unlocks the Royal Court, they then take up a HQ slot.

In the case of having an Overlord unlock them, Id have to say no because the model is attached to a unit and they are not an HQ slot. Furthermore, if they do indeed count as an HQ without an Overlord, does the enemy get a VP for each one killed?

If they are not unlocked and you take the unit, how does one go about tallying VPs with them? Does each one count as a VP or are you awarded VPs after the last model falls from that Royal Court?

Again, its wonky due in part to the models not being upgrade characters and merely start the game as characters. Once more, this is under the pretenses that the mission is Purge or Purge and X mission.

For our example here though Dakka, lets have two scenarios. The first one being with just one model from the Royal Court. The other has three models from the Royal Court.



Discuss. :3

Well the royal court counts as kill points. So if the model was alone standing in the open and you killed it, then yes 1st blood. If it is atatched to a unit of say 10 warrior and you only manage to kill the cryptek then no.

Xzerios wrote:
Cause Im curious. If you kill only a member of the Royal Court thats attached to a unit when playing a Necron opponent. Does this constitute as First Blood?

Its got a clause though thats worthy of pointing out and that is if there is no Overlord or named character that unlocks the Royal Court, they then take up a HQ slot.

If they are not unlocked and you take the unit, how does one go about tallying VPs with them? Does each one count as a VP or are you awarded VPs after the last model falls from that Royal Court?

Discuss. :3

You're reading it wrong, a Royal Court may only be taken IF an Overlord or specifically named character is a part of your army. You can't just opt to take a Royal Court.

As for first blood VP it will depend on whether or not you have split the court up into other units.
- If kept together they will grant a VP when fully removed as casualty
- If spread out into other units they will grant a VP when said unit must be fully removed as casualty

Xzerios wrote:
Its got a clause though thats worthy of pointing out and that is if there is no overlord or named character that unlocks the royal court, they then take up a HQ slot.

I'm not real sure what you are talking about here. Royal courts never take an HQ slot, and you may never buy one unless you have one of the overlords that unlocks them.

To answer the original question, if a cryptek or lord is attached to another unit, he ceases to be a member of the royal court unit. Killing only him would do nothing for KP or objectives such as First Blood. If you attached every member of a royal court to different squads and then proceeded to have each one of them killed while the squads they were attached to survived, they still would not give a KP or objective completion. When you attach them to another squad, they become full blown members of that unit, just as if they had never been part of a royal court.

That is incorrect on the Royal Court HQ bit. Please note that the Royal Court is listed in the HQ slot. It denotes in the first sentence that if you have a Overlord or Phaeron (named characters noted within the the parenthesis), the Royal Court does not take up a HQ choice.

I might as well add since I forgot to in the first post; in both cases of one model and three models, they are all attached to units and follow the rules outlined by the Royal Court.

They do not take up an HQ choice, but if kept together as a single unit, then yes they are considered an HQ unit.

Xzerios wrote:
That is incorrect on the Royal Court HQ bit. Please note that the Royal Court is listed in the HQ slot. It denotes in the first sentence that if you have a Overlord or Phaeron (named characters noted within the the parenthesis), the Royal Court does not take up a HQ choice.

I might as well add since I forgot to in the first post; in both cases of one model and three models, they are all attached to units and follow the rules outlined by the Royal Court.

No, you're forgetting the part before that which says "For each necron overlord in your army (including blah blah guys), the army can also include a Royal Court. This unit does not take up an HQ choice."

The period between the two sentences makes the first one a requirement and the second one is a benefit.

Either way, the royal court work exactly like WG when it comes to first blood.

If you attach some or all of the models to units then the first blood only counts if you wipe out the units.

Eg:
I have 10WG in a unit, I split 5 off to GH squads and leave 5 as a unit on their own.

If the 5 man squad is killed then you can get first blood.
If any of the 5 GH squad and their attached WG is killed then first blood as the WG becomes part of the unit for the game.

Eg2:
I have 5WG in a unit, I split 5 off to GH squads.
Even if you kill all the WG on the squads of GH unless you wipe out a full unit of GH there is no first blood.

Beyond the requirements for the Royal Court, thoughts on First Blood for a Royal Court split up in units. First example with one model from a Royal Court in another unit. The second with three models in three different units.

Xzerios wrote:
Beyond the requirements for the Royal Court, thoughts on First Blood for a Royal Court split up in units. First example with one model from a Royal Court in another unit. The second with three models in three different units.

Both of your examples are the same, if the royal court is 100% split up into other units then the royal court no longer exists as a unit and will never provide any KP/VP/FB bonuses. But, if even one member (or more, of course) of a royal court is NOT split into an allowed unit of Warriors, Deathmarks, Immortals or Lychguard then the royal court still exists WITH THAT ONE MODEL (or more) so if that model (and ONLY that/those model/models as a requirement) is killed, it would grant first blood.

 Kevin949 wrote:

Xzerios wrote:
Beyond the requirements for the Royal Court, thoughts on First Blood for a Royal Court split up in units. First example with one model from a Royal Court in another unit. The second with three models in three different units.

Both of your examples are the same, if the royal court is 100% split up into other units then the royal court no longer exists as a unit and will never provide any KP/VP/FB bonuses. But, if even one member (or more, of course) of a royal court is NOT split into an allowed unit of Warriors, Deathmarks, Immortals or Lychguard then the royal court still exists WITH THAT ONE MODEL (or more) so if that model (and ONLY that/those model/models as a requirement) is killed, it would grant first blood.

This.

Thank you gentlemen. We can close this topic. :3