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The interceptor rule states that:

At the end of the enemy movement phase, you can fire the gun emplacement at a unit that came in from reserve that is within line of sight and range. If you do so, you cannot use the gun emplacement during the next turn.

The gun emplacement rule states that:

One model in base contact with the gun emplacement can fire it at his own ballistic skill instead of firing his own gun, following the normal rules of shooting.

So if I’m reading this correctly, when using the interceptor rule, that model CANNOT use his ballistic skill to fire the weapon as Interceptor? For example, a Tactical Marine would not normally be able to shoot because he does not have Interceptor, so even if he were in base to base with a Quad gun, the Quad gun could not use the Tactical Marines BS to fire its Interceptor shots?

That is not correct. The gun has a profile that gives its rules and stats. The gun has Intercepter. The model shooting it just supplies the BS and any additional rules that it might have.

If the marine choses to use the Intercepter rule then you fire at normal BS after the opponent finishes thier movement phase. He can then fire as normal during your shooting phase, but can not fire the gun emplacement.

 Gloomfang wrote:
If the marine chooses to use the Interceptor rule

That's the part I don't get. The marine does not have the interceptor rule....so according to "the normal rules of shooting" as per the line in the Gun Emplacements rule, the marine cannot fire.

Intercepter is a weapon rule and not a model rule.

 Gloomfang wrote:
Intercepter is a weapon rule and not a model rule.

That doesn't make any sense.

A) Interceptor is listed under the Universal Special Rules

B) Quad guns have the interceptor rule. Quad guns are models. Hence why you can target (and subsequently kill) them separately.

Either way...the marine does not have the rule. So, does the Quad gun confer the rule to the marine? Meaning, if I had a tactical marine with a multi-melta next to a Quad gun, he could choose to fire his original gun instead of the quad gun because it confers the interceptor rule to him?

Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not. The quad has Interceptor. It can be fired using the BS of a model in btb with it. That's it. That's all there is. Really, it's that simple.

Does the quad give interceptor to the btb model allowing it to fire another weapon using intercetor? Of course not, nothing even remotely suggests that.

A) Yes Intercepter and Skyfire are USR.

B) Quad Guns have the intercepter rule. Icaruss Lascannons have the Intercepter rule. They are both WEAPONS that are mounted on the Gun Emplacement. The model in BtB with the Gun Emplacement can choose to fire the Quad Gun or ILC that is mounted on the Gun Emplacement.

Again the shooting model does not get the rule. The weapon he is firing has the rule. If he is not firing the weapon on Gun Emplacement then he is not firing a weapon that has the Intercepter rule.

To put it anouther way:
There is a model firing a Quad Gun. That model is the Gun Emplacement. The rules for the Gun Emplacement state that it must be in BtB with a model to be fired. That model is treated as being armed with the weapon mounted on the Gun Emplacement and follows all normal shooting rules.

 Gloomfang wrote:
The rules for the Gun Emplacement state that it must be in BtB with a model to be fired.

That's where I disagree. It does NOT say that. All it says is that IF there is a model in BtB with the gun emplacement, the gun emplacement may use that model's BS subject to all the normal rules of shooting.

Since we can agree that a gun emplacement is a model in its own right, and the gun emplacement is firing the interceptor quad gun, and the interceptor rule applies to the model firing the weapon (which, as stated, is the gun emplacement), the gun emplacement cannot use another model's BS to fire interceptor unless that model can, for some reason, fire in the enemy's shooting phase.

Except that the quad gun rules allow it to use the btb model's BS. Special rule overriding general rule. So disagree all you want, it doesn't change the actual rules.

MadmanMSU wrote:

Since we can agree that a gun emplacement is a model in its own right, and the gun emplacement is firing the interceptor quad gun, and the interceptor rule applies to the model firing the weapon (which, as stated, is the gun emplacement), the gun emplacement cannot use another model's BS to fire interceptor unless that model can, for some reason, fire in the enemy's shooting phase.

A few points:

1) A Gun Emplacement can not fire unless a model is in BtB. It has not got Auto-fire.

2) No model has Intercepter. Period. It does not exist. Same with Skyfire. They are weapon USRs. Even Hydras (the tank) don't have Skyfire. The Hydra Autocannon has it. Flyers can choose to give thier weapons Skyfire, but they do not have it.

3) Any one model in BtB with a Gun Emplacement can choose to fire it as if they are armed with the weapon that is mounted.

 Gloomfang wrote:
3) Any one model in BtB with a Gun Emplacement can choose to fire it as if they are armed with the weapon that is mounted.

So then, a Necron Chronotek could fire a gun emplacement as Interceptor and reroll a D6 using his special ability?

I don't think this rule would be as hard to understand if it were Rapid Fire....

The weapon has a special rule. The firer in base-to-base has a Ballistic Skill. Like a bolter, the firer does not gain the special rule.

Way to make a skmple concept way too difficult...

MadmanMSU wrote:

 Gloomfang wrote:
3) Any one model in BtB with a Gun Emplacement can choose to fire it as if they are armed with the weapon that is mounted.

So then, a Necron Chronotek could fire a gun emplacement as Interceptor and reroll a D6 using his special ability?

Yes. The model firing gets to use any specal rules it has for shooting. So if a model has PE then they could reroll all 1's to hit and wound.

At the end of the enemy Movement
phase, a weapon with the Interceptor
special rule can be fired at any one unit
that has arrived from reserve within its
range and line of sight. if this rule is
used, the weapon cannot be fired in the
next turn, but the firing model can shoot
a different weapon if it has one.

this part tells us that the marine can not only fire the weapon using his BS to fire, but also in the opposing players phase. it also tells us that the player may use his own weapons in his next shooting phase since he cannot use the quad gun or ILC. your logic in needing the marine to have interceptor as a rule is faulty. interceptor is granted by the weapon. the marine doesnt need melta usr to get 2d6 armor pen from a meltagun does he? if he chooses to shoot his combi melta at a vehicle he gets the melta rule. if he chooses to use the quadgun to fire interceptor he can do so. the USR is granted by the weapon to the marine in the same way.

If a weapon has both the Interceptor
and Skyfire special rules, it uses its full
Ballistic Skill against all targets (unless it
is firing Snap Shots).

and this part tells us that the weapon is always fired at full BS unless somehow it gets moved or some other rule forces it to fire snap shots.

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OH MY SCIENCE

Madman, think of every other weapon in the game.

Can the marine fire a Frag missile? The marine does not have the Special Rule of "Blasts"

Can the marine fire a Bolter twice within 12"? The marine does not have the Special Rule of "Rapid FIre"

Does the marine attack at I1 with a Pfist? The marine does not have the Special Rule of "Unweiledy".