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So, I've begun to ease my way into Warhammer 40K and as I began looking through all the races I fell in love with the Grey Knights. Now, making an army list as been nothing more than a complete b*tch. I'm trying to stay between $100 - $150 in what I'm putting towards my initial army. My first thoughts were: "why not just get Crowe running with two 5x squads of Grey Knight Purifiers". But before I decided to just go for that I spent a couple hours looking through the Grey Knight Codex and The Rulebook. Purifiers seemed pretty good, but cost a lot of points for guys in marine armour. To be honest I didn't really mind the points, more points for less money looks pretty good to me right now. BUT, then as I looked at Crowe and saw the beautiful, wonderful Blade of Antwyr, I just said screw this and begun searching for something different and more effective than that.

I've already made up my mind that I'm running Vindicare Assassin no matter what, it's just a really awesome guy to field in my opinion. Along with that I was looking at two 5x squads of Paladins, with Kaldor Drago as the HQ. So my initial army list would look something like this:

HQ
Kaldor Drago (x1)

Elites
Vindicare Assassin (x1)
Paladins (2x5paladins) - Becoming Troop Choices Due To Kaldor Drago

So, point wise I'd have 970 points, assuming my Paladins are vanilla... which they won't be.
I understand that when one of my men fall I'll feel it pretty bad, but my friends are all running armies that are 700 points to 1500 points, so I figured this would be able to compete with them. Keep in mind that I will eventually add things like a couple Grey Knight Strike Squads. Just to start off I feel that this would work effectively. My friends are running: Tau (with Broadside Battlesuits *yay* and Devilfish APC) @ about 800 points, Tyranids (with Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Biovore) @ about 1500 points and Chaos Space Marines (with Abaddon, Terminators and Khorne Berzerkers) @ about 700 points. Keeping in mind that, especially the Tyranids, have more HQ/Elites, than what I listed.

I just figured that force weapons will go really well against things like a Broadside Battle Suit and a Hive Tyrant. Drago is a boss and makes my Paladins into troop choices. Vindicare Assassin will get some wounds down for me early game. What I'm asking is if anyone out there has any opinions on what I'm thinking of running along with any strategies I could use (maybe what I could put in my paladins, assuming you agree with my idea of a starter army)?

Thank you.
~ TheWarriorAssassin

Paladin armies are good, but suffer heavily at low point battles for their lack of either a Land Raider or decent heavy support.

For 1000 point I'd suggest possibly running the following (just my opinion though):

Brother Champion - 100 points.

5x terminators, 3 halberds, 2 hammers - 200 points.

5x terminators, 3 halberds, 2 hammers - 200 points.

5 man strike squad and rhino, 3 swords, 1 hammer, 1 psycannon - 170 points.

5 man strike squad and rhino, 3 swords, 1 hammer, 1 psycannon - 170 points.

1x Dreadnought with 2x twin linked autocannon and psybolt ammo - 135 points.

Comes in at 975 points.

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Inquisitor of choice - 55 points.

5x terminators, 3 halberds, 2 hammers - 200 points.

Land Raider Crusader with multi melta and psybolt ammo - 270 points.

5x terminators, 3 halberds, 2 hammers - 200 points.

Land Raider Crusader with multi melta and psybolt ammo - 270 points.

Comes in at 995 points.

Thanks a lot for the advice, I appreciate the reply. I'm eventually hoping my load-out will look like what you listed above with a couple minor adjustments. But for now it's not a question of having around 1000 points, but more about getting a bunch of points for $100 - $150.

Thank you.
~ TheWarriorAssassin

Just gonna say this once.

U NEED MORE NUMBERS

I could just take objectives and focus my fire on the Paladins. In a 1000 pt army, I'm taking 3 tactical squads, Vulkan, 2 Rhinos, a Stormtalon, 3 bikers, and maybe a dread.

If you wanna get close to winning, make a 500 or 750 pt list for around $100-$150.

My 500 pt Salamander list cost around $120, but I custom ordered part for my bikers (they ride fantasy Cold Ones instead of bikes) so they were a little cheaper.

Yeah, I was feeling really unsure of the numbers. So, what would a Grey Knight army list of 500-750 points look like (for max $150) that would win fights??

Thank you.
~ TheWarriorAssassin

well with the new reserve rules (half rounding up can be in reserve) so possibly getting draigo AND crowe, keeping the purifiers on the table

maybe start with crowe and purifiers then once you get into higher points swap him out for draigo, and some paladins (then instead, use grand strategy to make the purifiers score)

Grey Knights have the lowest numbers of all armies. I'm no Grey Knight expert, but I know alot about the hobby overall.

My 500 pt Salamander Army has 19 models: chaplain, 10 marines, 5 scouts, and 3 bikers.

I would suggest 1 large infantry squad (maybe a full squad of standard Grey Knights) and a small squad of Paladins for your Troops, unless you want to drop Draigo.
Taking a special hero is great for larger battles, but I wouldn't take him until 1000 pts. I would invest in a cheaper hero and using those points on a elite, fast attack, or heavy support, as he doesn't have any competition in a small scale game. You won't be seeing a powerful unit in this small of a game and he will end up wrecking their hq then wandering around the rest of the game.


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Also, drop the Assassin. You really don't need one until at least 1000-1500 pts

I think running a nice 21 model terminator army at 1000 points would scary your enemy and its solid enough for people starting on GKs.

HQ:

Cortez: 100 points
Divination Powers

Troops:

10 man Terminator Squad: 470 points
3 Hammers, 2 Swords, 5 Halberds, 2 Psycannons, Psybolt ammo

10 man Terminator Squad: 430 points
3 Hammers, 2 Swords, 5 Halberds, 2 Incinerators, Psybolt Ammo

With Divination psychic powers this army will be much more hardy and can re-roll hits or even saves if you get the ability from Divination. On top of that. You have 20 terminators at 1k, that something opponents wont like!

Sadly this does cost a little more than $200, but you can go on ebay and their are these discount stores that sell 40k models for around $10 cheaper so this will save you some money if you decide to go with a Terminator list. Hope this helps!

Thanks a lot Stormtrooper520 for the tips (I like the user name by the way). I think I'll try and go for that. I'm really digging those terminators. Cortez with them will be nice !! Any ideas as to what I could add when and if I put those terminators together?

Thank you.
~ TheWarriorAssassin


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Thanks Vulkan's Forgemaster, didn't see your new post. That actually makes a lot of sense. I'm kinda new to the game and your help is appreciated. I see why my load out right now may be hard to run. I'll try to put something together keeping those tips in mind.

Thank you.
~ TheWarriorAssassin

Haha no problem. You should add those weapons I listed as they are a good load out for them. Once you have your 1000 point list you should add some good fire support like TL auto cannon dreadnoughts. Check out my posts and you'll see my Grey Knight Terminator List at 2000 points. Dreadnoughts are great fire support for grey knights and such. Dreadknights are a fun choice too. They can be very scary when equipped with teleporters, Great swords and heavy incinerators. Hope this helps.

Yeah, those weapons are really awesome. To start I'll pick up 10 terminators though, an unit of 5 and a unit of 5. So for each unit what would you recommend equipping them with? Thanks a lot for the help again. Haha, dreadnoughts sound awesome !!! That helped a lot.

Thank you.
~ TheWarriorAssassin


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Also, should I be running paladins or terminators to start?
I think I'd prefer paladins, but if there is a reason to choose terminators over them then let me know.

Thank you.
~ TheWarriorAssassin

Well Paladins can only be troops if Kaldor Draigo is the HQ. They are good, the only thing I hate about Paladins is that if an instant killing weapon wounds them, they are gone. and they are worth so many points. So thats why I stick with Terminators because I can field many more of them and still get the job done. One terminator costs 40 points, unlike a paladin which is 55 points. Paladin sure does get cool stuff. Like WS5 and 2 wounds and can master craft all their weapons. But I like having Terminators, I feel they are more reliable. But if you want to save more money go with Paladins. They are still a good choice.

So, for 6th ed. Has the Paladin list changed much?
What does the pally list look like at 1500 now?

Well they have been nerfed badly, due to power weapons getted nerf ap3.

magnetize the feth out of your terminators. that way you can change them as needed.
Usually you're best off with 3-4 halberds and a hammer or two.
Staffs are great if you're fighting other terminators or monstrous creatures.

If you do magnetize them, then you have the option of making them paladins in higher point games, just change out storm bolters for a psycannon/ apothecary.

what you originally wanted is usually called a Draigowing army. Very good in 5th ed, in 6th its usually not as effective until you get up to 1500+ points. it can still be good though if you're looking to keep the price as low as possible. Usually the problem with that army is low model count, you dont have enough scoring units. I've been playing around with an army list that looks something like this:

Draigo-275
Paladin x1-falchions-60
Paladin x1-55
paladin x1-55
Paladins x5-staff, psycannon x2, apothecary-410
Vindicare Assassin-145
Total:1000

You might try that. if that doesn't work, you can always just make a terminator army instead

interesting 1000 point list Ork Dork.
Will the solodins be deep striking?
What will you use your grand strategy on, Counter attack, or maybe making the vindicare scoring for home?

Yeah, solodins deep strike. I would use psychic communion to try and delay them so they have less time on the field, less time to be taken out. Depending on the game/enemy, I would usually make them counter attacking. but if I need to camp an objective then I'd make the vindicare scoring. I always end up dying to volume of fire, so that's why I take the apothecary, i've found it super useful. it may not be the best thing for your points, but it works for me

this is what i played today.

Grey Knights 750
HQ
Coteaz

Troops
5 x Terminator
Psycanon

10 Grey Knight Strike Squad
2 x Psycannon
Psybot ammo

Heavy
Dreadnought
Twinlinked-Autocannon
Twinlinked-Autocannon
Psybolt ammo

Dedicated Transport
Razorback
Psybolt ammo

if you plan to play draigo in the future get coteaz as well with the divinaton psychic powers. grey knight strike squad roxx. in a small range they can do everything. glance tanks to death with the psycannon. kill armor 11 with stormbolters and psybolt ammo

2 x 5 strike squads and 1 x 5 terminator squad is a good base to start with. a dread and a razorback is nice too. HQ libi or corteaz.

even if paladins are nice, they are pretty useless in low range games. i love em too , but would not use em. you need more troops for a solid base. capture and hold will be difficult without any strike squads and a psyfle dread does wonders at range 48" try to make big squads and get psybolt ammo plus everyone who can carry a psycannon should carry a psycannon 10 grey knights are better than 5 terminators in some ways, more shots, more troops, more wounds and still the solid 3+ save. feel no pain is too pricy to be worth taking.

Caine out!