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So is it just me or did they change the fluff to the BA's haveing the red thirst before the death of Sanguinius. I was always under the impression that the psychic scream he released in his Death is what caused the red thirst to start happening to the BA's

They did change the nature of the
I'm not sure if there is any other fluff on the origin of the Red Thirst. The Black Rage is most definitely tied into the Primarch's death.

ETA: Not sure if spoiler tags are needed when the thread title warns about spoilers, added them anyway.

Guys don't forget Spoiler tag please....

 DarthMarko wrote:
Guys don't forget Spoiler tag please....

Says spoiler alert in the title.

i Play the Angles and im still kinda confused about the difference between the two

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
Guys don't forget Spoiler tag please....

Says spoiler alert in the title.

Yes but still I would like to read impressions of the book without reading some juicy part....

Thoughts?

My immediate thoughts are how have you read this book already?

You can download the ereader version and you could buy it in some places right now

Bishop99 wrote:

Spoiler:

also they have one of the most blatant references to the missing Primarchs of any book i have read and it appears that they where wiped out for mutations

Thoughts?

You have a rough page number for that? I totally missed it.

daveNYC wrote:

Bishop99 wrote:

Spoiler:

also they have one of the most blatant references to the missing Primarchs of any book i have read and it appears that they where wiped out for mutations

Thoughts?

You have a rough page number for that? I totally missed it.

Its before the first chapter. When

Bishop99 wrote:So is it just me or did they change the fluff to the BA's haveing the red thirst before the death of Sanguinius.

Given that it's a novel, it wouldn't be a change but rather an alternate interpretation. I don't think there is any reason just yet to believe that GW would pick it up.

Just something to keep in mind.

Per the codex: There is no true history on the Red Thirst, now the Black Rage is the Psychic whiplash that resulted from the death of Sanguinius. The Red Thirst is still debated on when it emerged in the timeline. Bishop99 the difference between the two is the Red Thirst is a blood lust where the Angels actually can taste and have an addict drive to want to taste their enemies blood(almost like a vampire, which is where some say they are vampires except they don't need the blood to survive); the Black Rage on the other hand is a crazed indifference to all and anything living, their hatred towards the fact that their Primarch is dead is enough to actually kill everything around them until either they are killed or their is nothing left, this state of mind is irreversible(except in some chars.) and once they reach this point they must be terminated.

daveNYC wrote:
I'm not sure if there is any other fluff on the origin of the Red Thirst. The Black Rage is most definitely tied into the Primarch's death.

Isn't the Black Rage the culmination of the Red Thirst?

Anyway, the book seems to imply that this was a very rare occurrence before the Heresy/Horus' trap/Sanguinius' death. If you think of it in those terms, and his death just pushing it into overdrive (along with gradual degeneration of the geneseed), it doesn't really contradict the established fluff.

I think the Black Rage has always been presented as the genetic memory of Sanguinus' fight against Horus overwhelming the marine's personality. The handwavium seems to involve the psychic link that the BA had to their primarch.

The Red Thirst is a generic battle rage marked with a literal taste for blood, and the Black Rage actually involves the loss of personality as the marine believes he is the primarch fighting on Terra and eventually against Horus.

Bishop99 wrote:
You can download the ereader version and you could buy it in some places right now

I Pre ordered mine back in February and my estimated delivery is not until the begining of October Amazon.

Great book.

 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:

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The company of death thing was cool after the afflicted dies and very symbolic of where the BA were headed.

Great book.

I actually felt that that bit seemed forced. YMMV.

Two things that don't have much bearing on the book, but are of interest due to their impact on two regularly rage inducing topics are:

daveNYC wrote:

 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:

Spoiler:

The company of death thing was cool after the afflicted dies and very symbolic of where the BA were headed.

Great book.

I actually felt that that bit seemed forced. YMMV.

Two things that don't have much bearing on the book, but are of interest due to their impact on two regularly rage inducing topics are:

Spoiler:

1) The BA get spit out of the warp at Ultramar and are hailed by big blue himself. Yet somehow the BA and Sanguinus show up at Terra for the siege and the Ultramarines and Guilliman do not. Obvious question is, why not?

2) The status of the Thousand Sons regarding traitor or loyalist is listed as uncertain, and this is well enough after the events of Istvaan and the sending of the Wolves to Prospero that it could mean that Russ' orders were not 'nuke from orbit'.

well here are some responses

Bishop99 wrote:

daveNYC wrote:

Bishop99 wrote:

Spoiler:

also they have one of the most blatant references to the missing Primarchs of any book i have read and it appears that they where wiped out for mutations

Thoughts?

You have a rough page number for that? I totally missed it.

Its before the first chapter. When

Spoiler:

Horus and Sangunius are talking in the blown up cathedral after he kills the Blood Angel that goes crazy

The Horus Heresy books have been dropping quite a few shout-outs to those two. I'm starting to wonder how far they'll go, if they'll gradually present a backstory but not name the lost legions.

Yeah I'm hoping we atleast get a short story