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1500

Hq 455
Eldrad+ Avatar 365

Archon w/ shadowfield 90

Troops 310
2x5 rangers 190

5 Wyches + Haywire w/ raider w/ DL 120

Elites
None

Heavy 625
3 warwalkers w/ 2SL 180
3 warwalkers w/ 2 starcannon 240
wraithlord w/ wraithsword 100

Ravager w/ 3 DL 105

FA 110
5 warpspiders 110

Basic strategy is walk up the middle with wyches and archon and eldrad with avatar and lord. Use d. Eldar vehicles to just take out av 12+. Spiders and walkers in reserve to clean up. Rangers sit on objectives and make cover saves.

1750
Same except
Archon gets agoniser instead

Add 3 warp spiders and upgrade one to exarch

Add a unit of 6 harlies incl. Shadowseer all with kisses

Tactic is now harlies deathstar up the middle wyches are in transport to claim objectives

2k
Change 8 warp spiders to 2 units of 7 incl exarchs w/ 2 deathspinners

Add 3 kabalite trueborn w/ 2 dark lances

Same tactics but trueborn sit in cover with dark lances

Thoughts? Comments?

Edited to add haywire grenades to the wyches

A very interesting idea, the only issue i can think of is your lack of troops. While the rangers will get good cover saves, if they get assaulted they are dead then its up to the wyches (who are trying to get in combat) to win most objective games.

I really do like the list, and might try out something similar in the future.

Or i could just table people...what army can stand to that firepower? Also if i were to add more troops what would you recommend?

Anyone got anything they think might give me trouble? I could use some help/criticism because i know i havent thought of everything

It's a pretty solid list. I wouldn't count pn tabling everyone you play though. I think you will be hard pressed against horde shooting lists like foot guard. Orks and kids can put a shooty list together that can ruin your say too.

Any list that can spam av12+ might be rough too just because of the low number of shots you have to deal with that. Then there's 2+ save spam. All they have to do is kill one squad of walkers and you have only a handful of shots left that can ap them.

Flyer spam. What do you have to take care of that reliably? Again you have a good number of shots for an all comers list but if a necron flyer list is gets more than 1 or 2 flyers in a turn, you may be in trouble.


TLR
It's a good list but I think you will struggle against the same lists everyone else is having a hard time with now. Any list that spams a hard to kill unit and almost requires list tailoring.

Also, lose the wraithlord or give it a gun. Otherwise its doing nothing for the first 2 or 3 turns and it"s so slow that most people can avoid it. Add to that how few attacks it has and it won't be hard for a cheap fodder unit to lock it down for the whole game.

Well...is there anything i can change to combat those tough meta lists? Or should i just wait for a new codex and optimize and tweak this list as much as i can in the longrun?

You cant fortune wyches, only Eldar units. Drop the starcannon war walkers, grab a 10 man harlequin unit with shadowseer (2+ rerollable cover and 2d6x2 spotting distance, thank you FAQ), and stick the archon and eldrad there.

Archon NEEDS a venom blade. For 5 pts you get 2+ poison.

Drop both squads of rangers for 2x 3 jetbikes with cannon. Keep the jetbikes in reserve then have the skirt the board when they come in. They have a 48" turbo so you can keep them off objectives until turn 5 when the board has much less to harm them. Cannon is there for KP games when you can harass vehicles or 4+ or worse save units.

Drop the wytches for 10 wracks to keep on a back objective. They have 5+ cover and 5+ fnp and can go to ground very easily, making them even harder to dislodge off objectives than rangers. in KP games they are pretty good with 2A base, T4, and a 6+ armor 5+ fnp is just as good as wyches 4+ inv unless against fists.

rangers average less than 1 wound on meq per turn. With cover saves now a 5+, stealth only means they have 4+ saves, meaning you can shoot them off objectives easily unless you ground them often, making the squad do no damage. Trust me that they are not worth it, i run an exodite themed army in fun games with 3 ranger squads.

Drop the war walker's scatter lasers and grab cannons. You will be walking the war walkers up with eldrad for guide so range is not an issue. It also drops the cost by a third to 120 points. With the points from the rangers, wyches, and war walkers, invest in either another troop choice or another wraithlord

Wraithlord should also have EML. Too often he will be doing nothing otherwise. You can try it with just the sword and running him a lot, but i have found the EML to be invaluable in the early game.

Drop the Archon in favor of the Baron. For 15pts more, you still get the SF, but add +1 to go first, grenades, Hit and Run, Stealth for the unit. He does what the Archon does except much much better.

I think more troops are needed and the Star Cannon Walkers should be downgraded to SLs or SCs. I think they cost too much for what you get out of them.

I wouldn't worry about tabling anyone because I think you would be hard pressed to. You have a couple units that can put some shots out and the Archon+Avatar+Eldrad unit will be tough to bring down, but they dont bring that big of a punch. Smart opponents will just kite them around or feed you units.

Remember Bolters bring down Walkers. They aren't that resilient, and the way you have them are much too expensive.

qballony wrote:
Well...is there anything i can change to combat those tough meta lists? Or should i just wait for a new codex and optimize and tweak this list as much as i can in the longrun?

I would just focus on optimizing your current list. When you break it down, its really only 5 or 6 different lists that got really good with 6th. And even then not many people are running then and even fewer are any good. And several of those lists struggle with objectives. Against those lists I would just focus on keeping them from winning the mission rather than trying to table them or even win the mission yourself.