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HQ (395pts)

* Rune Priest (110pts)
(Independent Character)
Bolt Pistol, Chooser of the Slain (10pts), Jaws of the World Wolf, Living Lightning, Power Armour, Runic Weapon


* Wolf Lord (285pts)
(Independent Character)
2x Fenrisian Wolf (20pts), Runic Armour (20pts), Saga of the Warrior Born (35pts), Storm Shield (30pts), Thunderwolf Mount (45pts), Wolf Claw (20pts), Wolf Tail Talisman (5pts), Wolftooth Necklace (10pts)


+ Elites + (520pts)

* Wolf Guard Pack (520pts)
* Land Raider (260pts)
(Assult Vehicle , Power Of The Maching Spirit)
Storm Bolter (10pts)
* Wolf Guard (38pts)
Combi Flamer/Melta/Plasma (5pts), Power Weapon, Terminator Armour (15pts)
* Wolf Guard (48pts)
Terminator Armour (15pts), Wolf Claw (5pts), Wolf Claw (10pts)
* Wolf Guard (48pts)
Combi Flamer/Melta/Plasma (5pts), Power Fist (10pts), Terminator Armour (15pts)
* Wolf Guard (53pts)
Chainfist (15pts), Combi Flamer/Melta/Plasma (5pts), Terminator Armour (15pts)
* Wolf Guard (73pts)
Cyclone Missile Launcher (30pts), Power Fist (10pts), Storm Bolter, Terminator Armour (15pts)


+ Troops + (310pts)

* Grey Hunters Pack (155pts)
10x Grey Hunter (150pts), Meltagun (5pts), Meltagun


* Grey Hunters Pack (155pts)
10x Grey Hunter (150pts), Meltagun (5pts), Meltagun


+ Fast Attack + (270pts)

* Thunderwolf Cavalry (270pts)
(Rending, Wolfkin)
Thunder Hammer (30pts)
* Thunderwolf Cavalry (80pts)
Storm Shield (30pts)
* Thunderwolf Cavalry (80pts)
Storm Shield (30pts)
* Thunderwolf Cavalry (80pts)
Storm Shield (30pts)


+ Heavy Support + (255pts)

* Long Fangs Pack (140pts)
(Fire Control)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Squad Leader (15pts)
Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon


* Long Fangs Pack (115pts)
(Fire Control)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Long Fang (25pts)
Missile Launcher (10pts)
* Squad Leader (15pts)
Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon


one WG with for the 2 GH one WG with CML with one LF rune priest with the other LF WL with the TWC

1) Your Wolf Lord does NOT need a wolf tooth necklace. With a weapon skill of 6, he already hits anything with WS5 or less on a 3+ anyway. How many models with WS6 or better is your opponent likely to have? The answer is zero. Maybe one if your opponent is also a space wolf. In any case, you're paying 10 points for the opportunity to hit that one model one a 3+ instead of a 4+ in probably one round of CC on the off chance that you happen to actually get into B2B with him. This is a total waste of 10 points. If this was my army, I'd drop the WTN and upgrade the Wolf Claw to a Thunder Hammer.

2) Take a multimelta upgrade on the Land Raider instead of a pintle mounted storm bolter. You can never have enough melta, but you usually have more boltgun rounds than you need.

3) The wolf guard looks fine except for one thing. You're paying for 2 wolf claws. But the second wolf claw only gives you one extra attack because you've given both claws to the same dude. If instead you give one claw each to two different dudes, then the second claw will actually give you 2 extra attacks with the wolf claw right? Also...what kind of combi weapons are you taking and what kind of power weapons are you taking?

4) Your Grey Hunters will never get close enough to use those meltaguns without some kind of transport. But even if they did, who will be claiming objectives in your deployment zone? You need a lot more troops. If it's an issue of how many models you own, then split your two 10 man squads into four 5 man squads. But even better would be to find some points to get two more 10 man squads.

5) In general, I think you're just spending too much on upgrades and sexy unit choices. For example, you've spend 555 points on 3 thunderwolf models and a wolf lord (only 11 wounds)! Just think about how you would deal with these four guys. Two rounds of shooting from your two long fang squads, and there won't be much left of these 4 TWC.

6) I like the land raider idea, but I think it would do better if it was filled with 10 guys with power armor.

1,2)agree
3)i think you must have the same special weapon to take the +1Attack
4) 5 man unit isnt a bit easy to kill
5)i have the wolves for assult to kill

thanks for the reply

 Dreal wrote:

3)i think you must have the same special weapon to take the +1Attack

You're right, you do. What I am saying is that each wolf guard already has 2 attacks. If you purchase 2 wolf claws and give them both to the same model, then you will have a total of 3 attacks with the wolf claws (2 base attacks + 1 for having two special weapons). But, if you give 1 wolf claw each to two different models, then you will have a total of 4 attacks with the wolf claws (2 base attacks with the first model + 2 base attacks with the second model). Furthermore, if you give two wolf claws to one model, then he has to give up his storm bolter and therefore loses the ability to shoot. So I think you should split the wolf claws up and give them to different models.

You're right that 5 man units are easy to kill. But with only 2 troop units, you can only control 2 objectives. That's not enough and, if your opponent recognizes this fact he will focus his attention on destroying the two troop units you do have. The point is that you need more troop units. You can either trim some points from your list and get another strong troop unit or two, or you can split up the troops that you do have.

As for the thunderwolf cavalry, I'm not saying you should get rid of them, I'm saying you should consider making them cheaper. Do you really need three storm shields? With the way wounds are allocated to the closest model, you can probably get away with just one storm shield on you TWC. Then the cavalry can hide behind the Land Raider so it doesn't get shot on it's way to the enemy. That will save you 60 points.

You need to remove the point values of the units and the upgrades and just put the total point value for each unit.

 Grugknuckle wrote:

 Dreal wrote:

3)i think you must have the same special weapon to take the +1Attack

You're right, you do. What I am saying is that each wolf guard already has 2 attacks. If you purchase 2 wolf claws and give them both to the same model, then you will have a total of 3 attacks with the wolf claws (2 base attacks + 1 for having two special weapons). But, if you give 1 wolf claw each to two different models, then you will have a total of 4 attacks with the wolf claws (2 base attacks with the first model + 2 base attacks with the second model). Furthermore, if you give two wolf claws to one model, then he has to give up his storm bolter and therefore loses the ability to shoot. So I think you should split the wolf claws up and give them to different models.

You're right that 5 man units are easy to kill. But with only 2 troop units, you can only control 2 objectives. That's not enough and, if your opponent recognizes this fact he will focus his attention on destroying the two troop units you do have. The point is that you need more troop units. You can either trim some points from your list and get another strong troop unit or two, or you can split up the troops that you do have.

As for the thunderwolf cavalry, I'm not saying you should get rid of them, I'm saying you should consider making them cheaper. Do you really need three storm shields? With the way wounds are allocated to the closest model, you can probably get away with just one storm shield on you TWC. Then the cavalry can hide behind the Land Raider so it doesn't get shot on it's way to the enemy. That will save you 60 points.

Grugknuckle has hit it spot on. In 6e, 5 of the 6 missions are objective based. More troops = more power. At this point level, you might be able to get away with one more 10 man GH unit. That means dropping upgrades.

100 RP (get divination, its really good for wolves)
255 Thunderlord RA BearSaga SS WC WTT
520 WG same but drop one WC
150 GH Flamer PG
150 GH " "
150 GH " "
205 TWC PF SS
115 LF 4x ML
115 LF 4x ML

1750 on the nose.

I like it but I am afraid of the get hot with the dice I roll and I like high I so with pf and th I lose it

 Dreal wrote:
I like it but I am afraid of the get hot with the dice I roll and I like high I so with pf and th I lose it

Then take meltaguns instead.

 Dreal wrote:
I like it but I am afraid of the get hot with the dice I roll

I would take the plasma, more shots and better range. However, if you are that scared, take the melta instead.

 Dreal wrote:
and I like high I so with pf and th I lose it

What is this referring to? My changes did not change any PW to a PF. I changed a TH to a PF on the TWC, but thats it.

1) If you are going to spend 285 on a Wolf Lord take Logan instead... 10pts less and WG are now better
2) Put grey hunters in transports! They need it.
3) If you want all the storm shield in TC then split into two units... IMO they are better if they would be split up.. if you still want to keep in one unit drop 1 or 2 storm shields... save points
4) Id take away a missile launcher and grab a Lascannon in each long fang pack... need to have some "can openers"

Logan is good but slow instead of the thunderwolf

I don't know man. Any time I think about spending 250 points or more on A SINGLE MODEL, I have to ask myself if I would rather have a Land Raider. Or two vindicators. Or 5 more TWC.

Seriously.