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If I place an allied Independent Character (battle brothers) in a Veteran Squad and issue them an order, does the IC also benefit from the rules of that order? The FAQ merely says that the target of the order has to be from Codex: Imperial Guard. Can I use the IC's leadership value when checking if the order passes?

Thanks!

Yes.

I would say no, as you said, orders may only be issued to units from Codex: Imperial Guard, if you add an allied IC to a unit, that unit is not wholly from Codex: Imperial Guard, therefore does not fit the criteria for having orders issued to it.

Krellnus how does a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard stop being such when an IC is attached? Hint: it doesn't- it is a unit from Codex:IG with an attached IC from Codex:X.

Which means that the unit as a whole is not from Codex: Imperial Guard, as the unit needs to be wholly from Codex: Imperial Guard to have an order issued to it, as it is now not, it cannot have an order issued to it.

There is no reason to think that the unit has to be wholly from the codex. An IC that joins a unit is treated as a member of that unit for all rules purposes, and that unit was purchased from C:IG.

Looking at the wording of the FAQ I would say that there is:

Imperial Guard 6th Edition FAQ wrote:"To issue an order the officer must declare which order he is attempting to use and select a friendly non-vehicle unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard within his command radius to carry out the order

As the rule set is permissive (i.e. you need to be told you can do something to be able to do it) and we know that a unit joined by an Independent Character is a 'single unit', it is not much of a stretch (imo) to see that a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard with an attached ally from Codex: X is not a unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard (because of the character from Codex: X attached to the unit) nor is it a unit from Codex: X because of the Codex: X character being attached.
Therefore if a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard has an ally attached to it, it cannot have orders issued to it.

 Krellnus wrote:
Looking at the wording of the FAQ I would say that there is:

Imperial Guard 6th Edition FAQ wrote:"To issue an order the officer must declare which order he is attempting to use and select a friendly non-vehicle unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard within his command radius to carry out the order

As the rule set is permissive (i.e. you need to be told you can do something to be able to do it) and we know that a unit joined by an Independent Character is a 'single unit', it is not much of a stretch (imo) to see that a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard with an attached ally from Codex: X is not a unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard (because of the character from Codex: X attached to the unit) nor is it a unit from Codex: X because of the Codex: X character being attached.
Therefore if a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard has an ally attached to it, it cannot have orders issued to it.

Rule set is permissive, you're right about that. Your conclusion is flawed though.

BYB, page 39, Independent Characters wrote:While an Independent Character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes, though he still follows the rules for characters.

Emphasis mine.
Any IC is joined to a unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard counts as part of a unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard for all rules purposes, including orders.

Luide has it correctly, as the others here who agreed with him.

The IG/SM combo with orders works for the above listed reason, the same reason that the Dark Eldar/Eldar Harliestar combo works with Fortune.

 Krellnus wrote:
Looking at the wording of the FAQ I would say that there is:

Imperial Guard 6th Edition FAQ wrote:"To issue an order the officer must declare which order he is attempting to use and select a friendly non-vehicle unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard within his command radius to carry out the order

As the rule set is permissive (i.e. you need to be told you can do something to be able to do it) and we know that a unit joined by an Independent Character is a 'single unit', it is not much of a stretch (imo) to see that a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard with an attached ally from Codex: X is not a unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard (because of the character from Codex: X attached to the unit) nor is it a unit from Codex: X because of the Codex: X character being attached.
Therefore if a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard has an ally attached to it, it cannot have orders issued to it.

They have changed the way special rules work in 6th edition.

First and most importantly, they clarified very clearly that when an IC joins a unit he now counts as part of that unit.

Second, they clarified that if you use a special rule on a unit, then it benefits the joined IC...even if he leaves the unit he still benefits from the ability.

That's why in many cases they've gone through and specified that certain rules only apply to models from a specific codex, but if the special rule says it can apply to a UNIT from a specific codex, and you have a brothers-in-arms IC joined to that unit, your damn right that IC benefits from that special rule as he is a member of that unit.

In the case of the order, it is being issued to an Imperial Guard unit...that unit just has an IC joined to it (which doesn't change what type of unit it is).

We really need to reset our mindset from the way the rules used to work before 6th when it comes to special rules, etc. They've made it much, much easier in general across the board to get powers applied from ICs onto units and vice-versa.

yakface got it above.

The FAQ for IG says that orders only apply to units chosen from Codex: Imperial Guards. The BYB gives you a loophole, in that Independent Characters count wholly as a member of the unit they join. So if you have a Wolf Priest join a Imperial Guard Blob and you issue Bring It Down to the Blob, he benefits from the re-rolls to hit.

Not all abilities work the same way, some FAQs say 'models' instead of 'units' so be sure to check your applicable FAQ when you try to do something.

 yakface wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Looking at the wording of the FAQ I would say that there is:

Imperial Guard 6th Edition FAQ wrote:"To issue an order the officer must declare which order he is attempting to use and select a friendly non-vehicle unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard within his command radius to carry out the order

As the rule set is permissive (i.e. you need to be told you can do something to be able to do it) and we know that a unit joined by an Independent Character is a 'single unit', it is not much of a stretch (imo) to see that a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard with an attached ally from Codex: X is not a unit chosen from Codex: Imperial Guard (because of the character from Codex: X attached to the unit) nor is it a unit from Codex: X because of the Codex: X character being attached.
Therefore if a unit from Codex: Imperial Guard has an ally attached to it, it cannot have orders issued to it.

They have changed the way special rules work in 6th edition.

First and most importantly, they clarified very clearly that when an IC joins a unit he now counts as part of that unit.

Second, they clarified that if you use a special rule on a unit, then it benefits the joined IC...even if he leaves the unit he still benefits from the ability.

That's why in many cases they've gone through and specified that certain rules only apply to models from a specific codex, but if the special rule says it can apply to a UNIT from a specific codex, and you have a brothers-in-arms IC joined to that unit, your damn right that IC benefits from that special rule as he is a member of that unit.

In the case of the order, it is being issued to an Imperial Guard unit...that unit just has an IC joined to it (which doesn't change what type of unit it is).

We really need to reset our mindset from the way the rules used to work before 6th when it comes to special rules, etc. They've made it much, much easier in general across the board to get powers applied from ICs onto units and vice-versa.

Ok, I agree with that.