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Hey peeps i just started playing LOTR and i am wontering if any one got any tips on how to use my army and any tips on my army list.
one of my mates has started the Talaman gamer's challenge from white dwaf and he has a evil pirate type army with throwing daggers everytime i come up against this list i allways lose with out a Challenge any tips on how to play against this list?

i am also doing a Talaman gamer's Challenge at my local GW and i have came up with this list.

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500 Points

War-band 1

Legolas

4 Wood Elf with Bow
4 glad elf with bow and spear
2 glad elf with bow


war-band 2

storm caller
6 glad elf with spear and shield
2 wood elf spear
1 wood elf throwing dagger


war-band 3

Haldir with bow and Armour
6 glad elf with spear and shield
2 wood elf spear
1 wood elf throwing dagger

7 might
10 bows
28 warriors
31 models total

i know its not much but please any tips and tactics on deployment and thing i should look out for would be appreciated
my next army list go to 700 pts any thought on what i should add?

Thanks Relictor88

I think the idea of having a bow and a spear is a bad idea. You should either one of them but not both. This is because an archer should stay back were he wont be in combat. And i spearman should always be moving 6 inches to get into combat with people with hand weapons. Another thing to remember with elves is to split up your attacks. By this i mean if you have 2 people in combat one should use his blade as 2-handed and the other person should use a hand-weapon.
Legolas is a great hero definately keep him. Haldir is a good choice but you may want to get rid of his bow and keep him with your hand to hand group. I am personally against Stormcallers, and with your armies frailty you need protection from bows. Galadriel's blinding light is a great method. But maybe save her for a higher point match.
And with the throwing daggers, they are nice, but only if you have more than you have. And for 2 points each you may want to just get another elf at that point.
I hope my coments help (and remember these are just my opinions), ask me any other questions you have.

so how should i change my army? i am at the max bow limit so i cant have more bows and i dont have the numbers cos im elves. should i change the storm caller to Rumi? as i like his stats and he seems like a demi monster in combat. i am geting Celeborn for my army as i mail ordered him.

i am a 40k player mainly but i love rings its a completely different kettle of fish lol.

if you got the sourse book could you come up with some ideas.

thanks for the posts ill think on my army list my self and ill post what i come up with

Here is an alternate list for you.

500 Pts - Lothlorien and Mirkwood Roster

1 Warband, 190 pts
1 Legolas (Hand Weapon; Elf Bow; Woodland Creature; Deadly Shot; Protect the Ringbearer; One of Purpose)
10 Galadhrim Warrior (Hand Weapon; Elf Bow; Armour; Woodland Creature)

1 Warband, 155 pts
1 Rumil (Hand Weapon; Elven Blade; Elf Bow; Armour; Shield; Woodland Creature; Swift Parry)
4 Galadhrim Warrior (Hand Weapon; Elven Blade; Armour; Shield; Woodland Creature)
5 Wood Elf Warrior (Hand Weapon; Wood Elf Spear; Woodland Creature)

1 Warband, 155 pts
1 Haldir (Hand Weapon; Elven Blade; Elf Bow; Woodland Creature; Expert Shot)
4 Galadhrim Warrior (Hand Weapon; Elven Blade; Armour; Shield; Woodland Creature)
5 Wood Elf Warrior (Hand Weapon; Wood Elf Spear; Woodland Creature)

Validation Report:
Regular: Tournament

Composition Report:
Major Heroes: 3 (0 - 0)
Minor Heroes: 0 (0 - 0)
Warriors: 5 (0 - 0)
War Machines: 0 (0 - 0)

Total Roster Cost: 500

Basically here, with wood elf armies, you will need to utilize terrain to maximize your cover and hit and run tactics. I dropped the storm caller in favor of Rumil which imho will be better for combat. The storm caller isn't all that great. You have gala warriors with Shields and elf blades(use the double up on enemies) and those that have 2 of your elves, have one fight with hand weapon, and the other use the 2handed blade. Shield when outnumbered. Try to keep your woodelf spears clear of enemy lines of fire also.

Last, all three heroes I put bows on. Bows are your best friend. Always try to take the maximum and then means adding to heros with good bow skills. all elves fit this. So you have 31 models with 13 bows. 2 have expert shot abilities, giveing an effective 16 shots a turn!

Good luck, try out a few games and see what works and doesn't, and then make alterations as necessary.

i have played a game with the list you mentioned but i missed the storm caller its useful when you get the spell off as it knocks models down and makes it easier for str 3 elves to kill them but i do like rumil tho he saved my but a few times.

i might switch out halir for him and keep the storm caller as the caller works for me but i still have problems with the Corsairs of Umbar army. as my mate out numbers me and i cant kill enough to counter charge i am thinking that this list is the only one what i will not be able to take out :/

When fighting armies such as corsairs, you need to rely on your strengths against their weaknesses. You have stronger bows, and better bow fire. When you move into combat, make sure you use the strength there in that you have the superior fight values. You shoudl win most one on one fights. fights were you are out numbers(shield), try to ensure you double up your guys that he puts on your spears since they wont be shielding, in fights you can effectiveing hold off most armies simply based on yoru fight skill alone. Oh course, wood elves are paper thin for armor, and unfortunately there is little that can be done if you have a bad round or two of combat and start losing models. That is mainly where you want to maximize the terrain and try to keep opponents away and charge thrugh woods to pick off his straglers.

Ok this is my remake of my army list a few tweaks but it works allot better i think than the other list i put up any help would be appreciated and excuse spelling please




500 Points

War-band 1

Legolas

4 Wood Elf with Bow
4 glad elf with bow
2 glad elf with bow


war-band 2

storm caller
6 glad elf with spear and shield
3 glad sword and shield (not eleven sword)



war-band 3

Haldir with bow and Armour
6 glad elf with spear and shield
3 glad sword and shield (again not eleven)

Annoyingly i had to use the eleven blade models as there are no sword and shield models so i had to glue the shield to the back of them and there we go. same there not multi-part like most GW models

Unfortunately I believe the past few lists I have seen on this blog are illegal because of the bow rule. I believe the rule is that only 33% of you warriors may have bows. this does not include heros for the total count. Now if you and I were playing I wouldn't care, but if you want to have a legal army I believe it is dependant on warriors, not heros.

Well. the 1/3 rule is a little different now. Its actually 1/3 rounded up, where before warbands, it was 1/3 rounded down. The key significant difference now is that where before you HAD to have to non-bow warriors before adding any warrior with a bow, you now can actually have a bow armed model first as 1/3 of 1 is still 1, same for 1/3 of 2, which also results in 1 when rounded up.

This means that the list of;

28 warrior models equals 9.33 bows, rounded up = 10 warriors with bow

Hopefully, this further clarifys the rule without confusing anyone.

LOL yea a few people at the shop said my list was but i said look here and they said that's cheeky as i get 1 more for 0.77 of a model or somthing like that so yeah.



9.3333333333333 is 10 in the eyes of the bow limit now.

still didn't matter tho as they suck when i use them on a man sided model but trolls well that's a diff story.

got a rematch against the pirates sat wish me luck as he beats me every time. dam broken thrown daggers into combat!

Well, I disagree that it's cheeky. It is clearly the new rule and is as intended per examples provided in the game. When playing against those pirates, just stay outside his 6" range, and watch out for his crossbows since they now have hand weapons, where before they were unarmed if no crossbow.

Good Luck and remember your tree cover!

I believe I suggested this earlier, but I want to bring it up again. If you get Galadriel it will destroy the usefulness of their crossbows and thrown weapons. I believe they regularly hit on a 4. If you use blinging light the enemy will miss 66% MORE OFTEN. Meaning only one out of every 3 wounds he causes now would still effect you. And if you get her well, in a higher point game just throw Celeborn in the fight and watch your enemy cry at his high fight, high defense, 3 attacks and 3 wounds with replenishable fate. Celeborn goes from king of Lothlorien to Morgoroth (but for the good side).

Galadriel and Celeborn are great, but given that its 260 points for the 2 of them, you have to be in a very large game to warrant their costs. say 700points or above, otherwise you will still not have the numbers in models to sustain fights over the time of the game.

when i read blinding light is that an AOE spell at i don't understand how it works exactly as it says all models with 12'' are effected but when shot at 6s are need to be rolled to hit so do that work for just hero or the models within 6'' also i do have Gandalf the grey model is he worth the points in 700 pts or not as he is 170 :/ but he is a spell monster and he do also have blinding light as well. also another question do blinding light work in combat in the shoot faze for the evil player or not??

PS my mate is making a nasty Mumakill list and i roll tested against it with my archers and i think i might be in trouble :/ cheers for the advise ill hug those trees tightly lol

PS i tend to use my units like formations rather in separate skirmished groups is it wise? bit like a spare marine squad in 40k or is it better using them in little pockets of resistance like gorilla fighters? don't know how best to describe it lol

Basically, Blinding Light is an AOE effect spell cast on the caster. It stays in play once successfully cast and doesn't expire until either dismissed, or the caster is killed. So in either Galadriel or Gandalfs case, they cast on themselves, and then any bow fire targeting models within 12" radius of them requires 6 to hit.

As for value in a 700 point game. Depending on numbers of models, he is. I have seen Hobbit hordes with him included at 600 points and were very effective.

Edit: Forgot to answer game play.

Since the game is designed around skirmish one on one fights, keeping formations is helpful, but also a hiderence for movement. If you watch any GT game, most often models are kept tightly grouped to help prevent lines from being easily broken or flanked. By being very careful and using your terrain though, you can be equally effective in smally bands of models. I personally have run my Grey Company as both a line formation for volley fire, and then as models got close broke into 4 or 5 man groups with their heros. This allowed me to better 'pick' targets of opportunuity and not be bogged down in the fights I had little chnce of long term survival in.

what if i add him in with the list i got now i will have spair points for more warriors and im going to swap the storm caller for Rumil

i didn't manage to play my mate. however my other one had just started and he has a mumak. i got flattened we were playing lord of the rings version of king of the hill. i won with 3 models to his 1 mumak there tough next time i am not going to bother killing it just go for the riders ect

Warband 1 12/12
Legolas
4 Wood Elf Warrior with Elf bow;
8 Galadhrim Warrior with Elf bow;
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Warband 2 9/12
Galadriel
5 Galadhrim Warrior with Shield; Spear;
4 Galadhrim Warrior with Shield;
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Warband 3 9/12
Rúmil with Elf bow;
5 Galadhrim Warrior with Shield; Spear;
4 Galadhrim Warrior with Shield;
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Warband 4 4/12
Haldir with Armour; Elf bow;
4 Galadhrim Warrior with Shield;
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what do you think? this is my 700 pts

Looks pretty solid. You actually didnt list armour on Legolas, but you have the 5 points, so I assume that was taken.

Try it out and let us know how it does on the table.