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Mantic games now have a kickstarter up for DreadBall, a futuristic sports game:

Link to the Kickstarter Page

Link to download the core rules.

Current Stretch Goals:

$700k - Alternate Sculpts for all season 3 teams
$705k - Season 3 Keepers created.
$709,996 - Prize Support for Dreadball tournaments worldwide.
$720k - The Praetorian MVP sculpted.
$730k - Blaine MVP sculpted Free with Jack and Striker pledges!



Completed Stretch Goals:

$40k - A robotic referee miniature added to all copies of the boxed game.
$50k - DreadBall Trophy added to all $30+ pledges.
$60k - 4 new alternate sculpts (2 Human, 2 Marauder) get sculpted and tooled in plastic and added to all copies of the boxed game.
$75k - 2 Forgefather minis added to the $100 (Jack) and $150 (Striker) pledge levels. Forgefather MVP added to all Forgefather Teams purchased as a part of the kickstarter (including the one in Striker and any Forgefather Teams bought as Extras or as part of the Guard pledge).
$90k - 2 Veer-myn minis added to the $100 and $150 pledge levels. Veer-myn MVP added to all Veer-myn Teams purchased as a part of the kickstarter (including the one in Striker and any Veer-myn Teams bought as Extras or as part of the Guard pledge).
$100k - Wildcard MVP added to Jack and Striker pledge levels. Kickstarter exclusive counters added to Striker, DreadBall event ticket added to all pledges.
$110k - 4 extra minis (2 Marauder and 2 Human players) added to Striker level.
$125k - John Doe MVP gets sculpted and added free to Jack and Striker level.
$140k - Sprue of Clear Plastic Hex bases gets created. 2 sprues added to to Striker level for free, 1 sprue added to Jack and Keeper level.
$155k - "Number 88" MVP gets created and added to Jack and Striker level for free.
$175k - Female Human team gets sculpted. 2 free female Humans added to Striker! level for free.
$182.5k - The Enforcer MVP gets sculpted and added free to all Jack and Striker pledges.
$190k - Buzzcut MVP gets sculpted and added free to all Jack and Striker pledges.
$200k - Digital copy of the DreadBall season 2 rules (contains rules for 4 new teams, new MVPs, coaches and cheerleaders) added to all pledge levels, Dreadball tickets signed by Ronnie.
$210k - Keepers for the first 4 teams get sculpted and added as optional extras to purchase at a 50% discount from RRP.
$220k - Wyn Greth'zki Kickstarter exclusive MVP, added to Striker level for free.
$235k - Judwan Team created, added to the extras section. 1 free Judwan mini added to Jack, 2 free Judwan minis added to Striker!
$242.5k - Mee Kel MVP, added to Jack and Striker level for free.
$250k - 8/9/12 free minis added to Keeper/Jack/Striker for free, along with a Decal sheet. Guard pledges get a free MVP.
$265k - Zz'or Team sculpted. 2 free minis for Striker, one free mini for Jack.
$270k - Season 1 coaches sculpted and added to the extras section for $15 for 4. (50% discount)
$275k - Zz'or MVP sculpted and added free to Jack and Striker level.
$282.5k - Nightshade MVP sculpted and added free to Jack and Striker level.
$305k - Anne-Marie Helder sculpted and added free to Jack and Striker level.
$325k - Robot Team sculpted. 1 free mini for Jack, 2 free minis for Striker.
$340k - DBR-7 Prototype, Robot MVP sculpted and added free to Jack and Striker level.
$355k - Coach Renton sculpted and added free to all Jack and Striker pledge levels.
$370k - Female Corp and Zz'or Keepers sculpted and added as optional extras to purchase at a 50% discount from RRP.
$385k - 3 new alternate sculpts added to the forgefather team, forgefather prone counter added free to all Striker pledges.
$400k - Yurik “Painmaster” Yurikson MVP sculpted and added free to all Jack and Striker pledges.
$425k - Asterian Team created, 2 free minis for Striker.
$440k - Mellisandra sculpted and added free to Striker.
$460k - 4 Cheerleaders sculpted and made available as extras for $15 (50% discount).
$470k - Rico Van Dien MVP added free to Striker.
$485k - 3 alternate Veermyn sculpts created, free prone counter added to Striker.
$500k - Free digital copy of the dreadball rules for all pledge levels. Free mech/ giant beast of your choice added to Striker.
$515k - The Nameless Team get sculpted. 2 free minis added to Striker.
$525k - Dreadball Mech gets sculpted.
$530k - Corporation and Marauder prone counters sculpted. One of each added to Keeper and above pledges.
$545k - Nameless Spawn sculpted.
$550k - Downloadable Inlays produced.
$565k - Alpha Simian sculpted.
$580k - The Zees Team sculpted. 2 Zees added to Striker
$585k - 2 Season 2 prone markers. Added free to Striker
$600k - Zee MVP. Added free to Jack and Striker
$605k - 2 Season 2 prone markers. Added free to Striker
$625k - Barricade sculpted.
$645k - Teraton Team sculpted. 2 Teratons added to Striker
$655k - Season 3 prone counters sculpted
$670k - Teraton MVP sculpted
$685k - Alt sculpts for all season 2 teams
$700k - Alt sculpts for all season 3 teams


There are two main pledge levels, Jack ($100) and Striker ($150). Jack level is currently worth over $243, Striker level is worth over $382.

Additionally there are numerous other smaller and larger pledges available, as small as the $30 Guard level if you just want a team, MVP, and digital copies of the rules and expansions to play pick-up games.

- Curious about the rules? A free 20-page download of the core rules can be found here. Additionally, a quick Q&A can be found at the end of this post.

- Curious about the KS data? Here's the Kicktraq page: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game

Created by the finest sculptors, artists and game designers, DreadBall – The Futuristic Sports Game is the first in a series of visually stunning sci-fi sports games, to be supported with expansions introducing new teams and exciting new gameplay, building on the already impressive 84-page full-colour A4 rulebook.




List of everything you get at different pledge levels:


$10 - "Visitor":

- Digital copy of the DreadBall rulebook.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall season 2 expansion book.

$30 - "Guard":

- Digital copy of the DreadBall rulebook.
- A Team of your choice. (includes all season 2 teams)
- Kickstarter Bonus: DreadBall Trophy
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall season 2 expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall Ultimate expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Free MVP, varies depending on what team you choose


$80 - "Keeper":

- Digital copy of the DreadBall rulebook
- DreadBall Boxed Game ($80 RRP)
- Cover art print
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall season 2 expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall Ultimate expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Robotic Referee
- Kickstarter Bonus: DreadBall Trophy
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional alternate sculpt Humans
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional alternate sculpt Marauders
- Kickstarter Bonus: 4 additional Humans
- Kickstarter Bonus: 4 additional Marauders
- Kickstarter Bonus: Corporation and Marauder prone counter.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Sprue of 22 clear plastic Hex Bases
- Kickstarter Bonus: Decal sheet


$100 - "Jack":
- Currently worth over $273 RRP in total.
- Digital copy of the DreadBall rulebook
- DreadBall Boxed Game ($80 RRP)
- Cover art print
- "Lucky Logan" Human MVP ($10 RRP)
- "Slippery Joe" Goblin MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall season 2 expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall Ultimate expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Robotic Referee
- Kickstarter Bonus: DreadBall Trophy
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional alternate sculpt Humans
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional alternate sculpt Marauders
- Kickstarter Bonus: 4 additional Humans ($12 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 4 additional Marauders ($12 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Forgefathers ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Veer-myn ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 1 addtional Judwan ($3 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 1 additional Zz'or ($3 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 1 additional Female Human ($3 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Robot ($3 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Wildcard" Human MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "John Doe" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Number 88" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "The Enforcer" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Mee Kell" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Ludwig" Zz'or MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Nightshade" Asterian MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Anne-Marine Helder" Female Human MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "DBR-7 Prototype" Robot MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Coach Rention" ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "The Painmaster" Forgefather MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Vee MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Ticket for DreadBall event at Tabletop Nation/Adepticon 2013
- Kickstarter Bonus: Sprue of 22 clear plastic Hex Bases ($5 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Corporation and Marauder prone counter.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Decal Sheet


$150 - "Striker": - Currently worth over $486 RRP in total.
- Digital copy of the DreadBall rulebook
- Digital "Creating DreadBall" book.
- DreadBall Boxed Game ($80 RRP)
- Cover art print
- "Lucky Logan" Human MVP ($10 RRP)
- "Slippery Joe" Goblin MVP ($10 RRP)
- Forgefathers Team ($25 RRP)
- Veermyn Team ($25 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall season 2 expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Digital copy of the DreadBall Ultimate expansion book.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Robotic Referee
- Kickstarter Bonus: DreadBall Trophy
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional alternate sculpt Humans
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional alternate sculpt Marauders
- Kickstarter Bonus: 4 additional Humans ($12 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Female Humans ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 4 additional Marauders ($12 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 6 additional Forgefathers ($18 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 6 additional Veer-myn ($18 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Judwan ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Zz'or ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Robots ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 addtional Asterians ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Nameless ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Zee ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 additional Teratons ($6 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Gorim Ironstone" Forgefather MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Reek Rolat" Veer-myn MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Wildcard" Human MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "John Doe" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Number 88" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "The Enforcer" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Buzzcut" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Wyn Greth'zki" Kickstarter/ Mantic Points exclusive MVP ($10 nominal RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Mee Kell" MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Ludwig" Zz'or MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Nightshade" Asterian MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Anne-Marine Helder" Female Human MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "DBR-7 Prototype" Robot MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Coach Rention" ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "The Painmaster" Forgefather MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: "Melisandre" Asterian MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Rico Van Dien MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Vee MVP ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Dreadball multi-hex Mech/ Giant Beast. ($12 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Ticket for DreadBall event at Tabletop Nation/Adepticon 2013
- Kickstarter Bonus: Kickstarter-exclusive green acrylic game token set ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: 2 sprues of 22 clear plastic Hex Bases ($8 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Prone counter for all eight Season 1 and 2 teams ($16 RRP)
- Kickstarter Bonus: Decal sheet ($2)




$280:
2x everything at the $150 pledge level, including all Kickstarter bonuses.

$430:
3x everything at the $150 pledge level, including all Kickstarter bonuses.

$850:
6x everything at the $150 pledge level, including all Kickstarter bonuses + league poster and promotions pack.

$1500:
Everything at the $150, including all Kickstarter bonuses, painted by Golem.

Free shipping to the US and UK for all pledges, $15 to other areas of the world.

DreadBall Rules Q&A:

Spoiler:
Is it I-go-you-go or do you activate models individually? What are the various designs for on the field?

- A combination of both. Each turn (or "Rush" as the rules call it) you get to spend a certain amount of action tokens to move and take actions with your models, once you've used them all play passes to the opposing player.

There's an element of overwatch in play too, in that you can't just run past opposing models in your turn without having to try and dodge their attempts to smack you down.

- The designs on the field are the strike zones and goals.

There are 3 on each side of the pitch, once you've moved into the strike zone (lit up hexes), you can attempt to throw the ball into the goal hex.

As soon as a point is scored, the teams are not reset, but a ball is immediately re-launched from the centre of the pitch and play continues instantaneously.

First team to gain a lead of 7 points wins, or if the game reaches 14 rushes for each side, then the leading side wins. If it's a tie, then play continues into "sudden death" mode where the first team to score a point wins.


Can you go into maybe the core mechanic or statline concept?

We talking back and forth turn based? Interactive both sides turns? One sided play mechanics? Reactive dice rolls and interrupts?


- d6 used for everything. There is also a deck of 54 cards of various types that are played in-game for various effects.

- Stats are Move, Strength, Speed, Skill and Armour. There's a ton of different special skills in addition.

- Back and forth.. you get 5 Action Tokens to spend each turn, which can be used to move/perform actions with models, or you can spend them on cards. Interrupts are featured, as a special ability that lets you act in the middle of your opponents turn.

- Your turn ends once you've spent your 5 AP or you lose possession of the ball, either by losing it to the opponent, or by making a successful strike.



What is the intended/max team size? 5actions makes it sound like teams are small like 6 max which makes me think hockey.

Is scoring based upon a basket, a goal or endzone? Like moving the ball somewhere to score?

- 8 player starting teams during the game, 6 players allowed on the pitch and 2 substitutes. Players can move on and off of the yellow square at the back.
- Teams of up to 14 Players can be used during league play and exhibition matches (where you buy your teams yourself instead of using the basic starter teams). 6 players on the pitch, the rest of them are substitutes.

- The game is more hockey/basketball than football. No player actually touches the ball (it moves at very high velocity, is solid titanium + anti-grav and would break players hands), they use hooked extensions to their arms or holographic catchers/launchers (as can be seen on the cover art). Think the idea is basically the that game is one giant pinball machine! The ball can even be used as a weapon, launching it at other players heads.


- Not just one goal, 3 of them! You can attempt to "throw a strike" whenever you are standing in the glowing area ofhexes on the board, and there is nothing between you and the goal.

Does the Rulebook have rules for other teams than the 4 mentioned teams?
(Orcs, Humans, Forgefathers and Veer-Myn)

No, but the Kickstarter will have stretch goals for an additional 4 teams, including an all-female one. The basic book contains rules for a ton of "Star Players" (called MVPs) which are available to bid on in leagues.. lots of different types here, ranging from robots to tentacle aliens that entangle their opponents.

5 AP per turn.. does playing a card take a point, or is it drawing a card take a point?
Is there any other way to getting cards in hand other than paying an AP?

- Drawing a card takes a point.. playing the cards is done at various points it seems (sometimes in your turn, sometimes your opponents turn, even in the middle of one of their moves).

- Each team starts with a certain amount of cards of a particular type... seems like particular cards can be bought mid-match during a league too.


(New thread for the purposes of an updated OP by me, mod approval for this received here) Old thread here for reference.

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If you're going to start a new thread (which is a fine idea) I think you should copy all the pictures in the old thread into the OP.

Edit: I see you've edited in one above, so great

As to the KS itself, for $80 there are a lot of other board games I'd rather get. The miniatures look nice, but are apparently monopose (see the team pics below where the same models are all posed identically) so not of much use for anything else.




So, it's a neat idea, but a pass for me.

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Suffolk, where the Aliens roam.

Wow, looks like a play on Speedball, rather than NFL ala Blood Bowl.

Tempting.

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3 sculpts per team? Meh.

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Suffolk, where the Aliens roam.

That wouldn't bother me as much, we had to use coloured rings to tell apart the positions in the 2nd edition bloodbowl box, one pose per team.

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They've learned something from Relic Knights - the "early bird" discounted starter sets to get people to pledge on the "sweet spot" levels early.

Reposting my conversation to SS here as the other thread got locked minutes after I posted, preventing his reply...


scarletsquig wrote:
Arguably, Mantic already includes superior miniatures to the majority of board games out there. it's just the printing and graphics side of things that needs work.

There's also a higher level of investment needed to make the miniatures for Dreadball, since it isn't just re-using KoW or Warpath models

Which is where the Kickstarter comes in -alternate sculpts, new sculpts, new teams, new special characters and cheerleaders.

I'm glad that they're starting with a high quality baseline for this, it should cut down on boring stretch goals that are just about upgrading the dice/ cards/ counters.


Being neither a Mantic cheerleader nor a hater, the figures for PP and DKH/expansions (I own all of them) are nice models, but suffer from being wargames miniatures rather than boardgame pieces. GW figured this out from 4th Edition 40k onwards with push-fit models, but if you compare to the stuff that FFG provide in Decent and Dust and Tannhauser everything else, Flying Frog's stuff, Claustrophobia, Wizards' various D&D games and so many others - their figures are pretty damned good. In a lot of cases better than Mantic's stuff - and certainly on a par by any standards. Except they're ready to go when you open the box, rather than a bunch of baggies filled with grey plastic. Their figures might be much better than, say, the pegs in Pandemic, but this is a boardgame that's sold on the visuals of the miniatures at least as much as the gameplay.

I'll probably be in for this KS if it looks reasonable, and so far I do like the look of the models. If the KS gives us enough models, I'll buy it based on that alone (as I did with Sedition Wars). But that's because on balance, I do like Mantic and their ethos, and also because I'm a miniatures guy. If they're trying to enter the boardgame space, and do it properly, they need to try to be on a par with FF as far as component quality goes - that goes as far as improving the physical boxes the games come in. I hope they do manage to do so. I'm also a bit dubious on the model count.

Basically, I'll probably be backing it, but if they want to compete in the same space as FFG et al, they need to match them in component quality rather than just price. Descent 2nd Ed has a US RRP of $80. That's the quality and quantity level they're competing with if they want to be taken seriously in the boardgame space, as opposed to a niche game that's just for miniatures people.
NYA MGE DBM01-1 Dreadball Futuristic Sports Game $79.99

- Fake Edit. OK I'm down for "Striker" at this point. I considered double-striker, but there doesn't seem to be any point. I wouldn't mind extra minis but don't want to pay for an extra board etc to get them.

   
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Looks good, and I actually prefer the look of the Forge Fathers and Veermyn to the ones originally posted! The Forge Fathers in particular look like mini-juggernauts

I don't think $80 is too unreasonable, especially compared to the cost of most half-decent board games these days (which can be a lot more).

I'm glad it has free P&P to the UK as well, that was always one of the PITAs of the CMoN kickstarters..

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
3 sculpts per team? Meh.


"More poses" was listed as a stretch goal in the video, so rest assured that more exist - and they'll show them to us if only people give them enough money..

   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
3 sculpts per team? Meh.


Alternate sculpts are coming for the basic set, as stretch goals, as are up to 4 new teams (in addition to the existing 4), and more MVPs.

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Not really blown away by the offers, so I'm on the fence. I'll keep on eye on it to see what the stretch goals look like as they will likely determine if I'm in on this one or not


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...and since we're at ~6K already, in about half an hour, let's assume we'll see several of those before the end of the week at the very least.
   
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 Pacific wrote:

I'm glad it has free P&P to the UK as well, that was always one of the PITAs of the CMoN kickstarters..


yah. But CMoN is in the US and Mantic are the UK.

   
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Suffolk, where the Aliens roam.

Ah good, not watched anything yet, but was hoping extra poses would turn up as stretch goals.

Will be keeping an eye on it.

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 Pacific wrote:
Looks good, and I actually prefer the look of the Forge Fathers and Veermyn to the ones originally posted! The Forge Fathers in particular look like mini-juggernauts

I don't think $80 is too unreasonable, especially compared to the cost of most half-decent board games these days (which can be a lot more).

I'm glad it has free P&P to the UK as well, that was always one of the PITAs of the CMoN kickstarters..


$80 is the non-discount price of Descent 2nd edition. The D&D boardgames (Ravenloft, Ashardalon, Drizzt) are $65. Dust Tactics revised is $80. Last Night on Earth is $60. Claustrophobia is $65, BSG is $50. These are non-discount prices, and these are all considered more than decent games - all in the same "miniatures boardgame" space that this is in. They've priced themselves at the top end of the Fantasy Flight level...

   
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 scipio.au wrote:


$80 is the non-discount price of Descent 2nd edition. The D&D boardgames (Ravenloft, Ashardalon, Drizzt) are $65. Dust Tactics revised is $80. Last Night on Earth is $60. Claustrophobia is $65, BSG is $50. These are non-discount prices, and these are all considered more than decent games - all in the same "miniatures boardgame" space that this is in. They've priced themselves at the top end of the Fantasy Flight level...


I think this may be an issue.

I do have a soft spot for Blood Bowl and will follow this carefully. But the first reaction at those "Kickstarter-prices" was that I'll likely get it cheaper after Christmas from Wayland Games or the like than on the KS. And I can even benefit from product-reviews.

But that may change if they fill it up somewhat.

   
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Yeah, with currently only 16 minis in the box, compared to recent board game kickstarters (Sedition Wars, Zombiecide) this is very little bang-for-your-buck for $80.

To get the other 2 teams you need to go in for $150 it seems (or $140 if early... but that's still pretty darn high)
   
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Love the ForgeFathers! Bring on the stretch goals... might be needing them soon!
   
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Am in for the early bird already, gonna get a great deal i feel before the end of this KS.
   
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 scipio.au wrote:


$80 is the non-discount price of Descent 2nd edition. The D&D boardgames (Ravenloft, Ashardalon, Drizzt) are $65. Dust Tactics revised is $80. Last Night on Earth is $60. Claustrophobia is $65, BSG is $50. These are non-discount prices, and these are all considered more than decent games - all in the same "miniatures boardgame" space that this is in. They've priced themselves at the top end of the Fantasy Flight level...


I'm not sure about that mate, I've got a couple of the D&D games and the miniatures aren't particularly good. Not bad per see, and certainly fine for the game, but they aren't really worth painting. They are a kind of soft-rubbery plastic, some of them are bent at the ankle, and I would say not a patch on the restic stuff I've had from Mantic so far.

Although had a quick look at the Descent 2 ones, and they do look somewhat better! Thanks for pointing that game out by the way, always wanted by the original but I couldn't find it at anything less than a mentally high price before!

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Mantic were quick to respond about proper bases so these should hopefully feature as a stretch goal soon

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Where's the female ref figure? Didn't see it listed as in the box or as a special feature. Did they miss it? Can't say I'm excited even though I love blood bowl.


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While $80 seems to me slightly more than the going rate, it's not going to dissuade me; it's still slightly less than GW are charging for an edition of Blood Bowl that's 15 years old, and looks it, dating as it does from GW's "retina-searingly bright" period.

Actually, looking at the prices, it becomes apparent that the benchmark for board games is simply rather higher here in the UK. $80 is £50 at today's rate, meaning one should expect Dust Tactics to retail for that; instead, we pay £75. So if $80 looks expensive to Americans, that's really just the consequence of US manufacturers artificially inflating prices over here for year. US backers are, of course, also getting free postage absorbed within that $80, a privilege conspicuously not extended by CMON even to the UK co-produced Sedition Wars.

Anyway, the miniatures and components look well-designed and executed (indeed lavishly-so, and not merely by Mantic's standards), and the rules sound appropriately fast and crunchy. I for one am looking forward to DreadBall every bit as eagerly as Sedition Wars.

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 Pacific wrote:
 scipio.au wrote:


$80 is the non-discount price of Descent 2nd edition. The D&D boardgames (Ravenloft, Ashardalon, Drizzt) are $65. Dust Tactics revised is $80. Last Night on Earth is $60. Claustrophobia is $65, BSG is $50. These are non-discount prices, and these are all considered more than decent games - all in the same "miniatures boardgame" space that this is in. They've priced themselves at the top end of the Fantasy Flight level...


I'm not sure about that mate, I've got a couple of the D&D games and the miniatures aren't particularly good. Not bad per see, and certainly fine for the game, but they aren't really worth painting. They are a kind of soft-rubbery plastic, some of them are bent at the ankle, and I would say not a patch on the restic stuff I've had from Mantic so far.

Although had a quick look at the Descent 2 ones, and they do look somewhat better! Thanks for pointing that game out by the way, always wanted by the original but I couldn't find it at anything less than a mentally high price before!


Yeah, the D&D games probably aren't the best comparison because the minis aren't as good, but if you've seen any of the new stuff coming out of FFG you'll have noticed they're using a much firmer plastic for their minis now, which allows for much better sculpts. I dont know that their top-tier wargaming quality miniatures, but I think they're actually pretty close. And just wait till if you get hands on with the Relic busts if you haven't already. Good Lord I can't wait to paint those.

I think, like some have already said, the real problem with the "sweet spot" price here is that its $150. I'm thinking about what $150 got me with Zombiecide, what it got me for Sedition Wars, what it will get me with Reaper Bones, and What it'll get me for Relic Knights, and I have to think the price point is too high. Considering those four aformentioned Kickstarters all had their 'sweet spot' at $100, going with $150 for this seems awfully steep.

As far as boardgames go, $150 can get stretched a long ass way at The War Store or Coolstuffinc.com. We're talking a copy of Descent V2, Gears of War, one of the D&D Games, and probably even the new D&D Dungeon Command. Just seems awfully high by comparison.

 
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
 Pacific wrote:
 scipio.au wrote:


$80 is the non-discount price of Descent 2nd edition. The D&D boardgames (Ravenloft, Ashardalon, Drizzt) are $65. Dust Tactics revised is $80. Last Night on Earth is $60. Claustrophobia is $65, BSG is $50. These are non-discount prices, and these are all considered more than decent games - all in the same "miniatures boardgame" space that this is in. They've priced themselves at the top end of the Fantasy Flight level...


I'm not sure about that mate, I've got a couple of the D&D games and the miniatures aren't particularly good. Not bad per see, and certainly fine for the game, but they aren't really worth painting. They are a kind of soft-rubbery plastic, some of them are bent at the ankle, and I would say not a patch on the restic stuff I've had from Mantic so far.

Although had a quick look at the Descent 2 ones, and they do look somewhat better! Thanks for pointing that game out by the way, always wanted by the original but I couldn't find it at anything less than a mentally high price before!


Yeah, the D&D games probably aren't the best comparison because the minis aren't as good, but if you've seen any of the new stuff coming out of FFG you'll have noticed they're using a much firmer plastic for their minis now, which allows for much better sculpts. I dont know that their top-tier wargaming quality miniatures, but I think they're actually pretty close. And just wait till if you get hands on with the Relic busts if you haven't already. Good Lord I can't wait to paint those.

I think, like some have already said, the real problem with the "sweet spot" price here is that its $150. I'm thinking about what $150 got me with Zombiecide, what it got me for Sedition Wars, what it will get me with Reaper Bones, and What it'll get me for Relic Knights, and I have to think the price point is too high. Considering those four aformentioned Kickstarters all had their 'sweet spot' at $100, going with $150 for this seems awfully steep.

As far as boardgames go, $150 can get stretched a long ass way at The War Store or Coolstuffinc.com. We're talking a copy of Descent V2, Gears of War, one of the D&D Games, and probably even the new D&D Dungeon Command. Just seems awfully high by comparison.


I believe Ronnie confirmed the $100 level would get the stretch add-ons just as well, so you'd be fine with that one. the $150 (or $140, for those of us refreshing the kickstarter newly launched page at moment of launch ) pledge gets you two additional teams.
...Which will retail at $25 each, I believe. so you'd not be missing all that much, it seems (though probably there will be *some* stretches exclusive to striker level?)
   
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 Pacific wrote:
 scipio.au wrote:


$80 is the non-discount price of Descent 2nd edition. The D&D boardgames (Ravenloft, Ashardalon, Drizzt) are $65. Dust Tactics revised is $80. Last Night on Earth is $60. Claustrophobia is $65, BSG is $50. These are non-discount prices, and these are all considered more than decent games - all in the same "miniatures boardgame" space that this is in. They've priced themselves at the top end of the Fantasy Flight level...


I'm not sure about that mate, I've got a couple of the D&D games and the miniatures aren't particularly good. Not bad per see, and certainly fine for the game, but they aren't really worth painting. They are a kind of soft-rubbery plastic, some of them are bent at the ankle, and I would say not a patch on the restic stuff I've had from Mantic so far.

Although had a quick look at the Descent 2 ones, and they do look somewhat better! Thanks for pointing that game out by the way, always wanted by the original but I couldn't find it at anything less than a mentally high price before!


I've got the D&D Boardgames, and whole some of the figures aren't inspiring, some of them are pretty damned nice, espcaily once you get some paint on them and see what the sculpts are like. I've been painting my way through Ravenloft myself - when I finish I'll post a link to mine, in the meantime, check these out. You also get 40-50 of them per box, and for $15 less than DreadBall.

No probs on Descent, there's also a thread with some pics here.

Bear in mind, I'm no Mantic hater, but I'm somewhat careful with my money - and regardless of the initial KoW KS, this one is just a glorified pre-order. I dropped out of the Relic Knights KS because the value was poor for the money and lead time - and if I'm still interested next year I can just buy it at retail. I hope this one is better, but I'm often described as being black hat in nature.


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Just keep trying. It took me about 5-10mins to get mine through.

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Theophony wrote:
Where's the female ref figure? Didn't see it listed as in the box or as a special feature. Did they miss it? Can't say I'm excited even though I love blood bowl.



Was also wondering where the ref was


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Ref will be a stretch goal.

If it doesn't get met, it'll be sold seperately as a metal piece, if it does get met, it'll be tooled for plastic and included in the box.

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 scipio.au wrote:

I've got the D&D Boardgames, and whole some of the figures aren't inspiring, some of them are pretty damned nice, espcaily once you get some paint on them and see what the sculpts are like. I've been painting my way through Ravenloft myself - when I finish I'll post a link to mine, in the meantime, check these out. You also get 40-50 of them per box, and for $15 less than DreadBall.

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Wow...That dude did a lovely job painting the D&D minis. I may need to go buy Asharladon now....

 
   
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