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Let's say that by some miracle the IoM is able to find an intact, and working STC/STC engine, and somehow get it back to Mars. Could this help "save" the IoM, would it delay the inevitable, or would it do nothing? I was thinking that if they could get one and use it properly (which is a long shot at best). Then maybe they could at the least delay their fall, and at their best enter a new golden age, or revive the Emperor fully.

The technology of the Golden Throne doesn't seem to be based on human endeavor, but likely some remnants of Necron/C'Tan tech from when he fought the Dragon. With the STC being templates for creating machines that even retards could understand, it is unlikely it would have instructions on how to maintain such a unique piece of machinery. So I would think the Emperor would stay as screwed as he currently is.

The biggest obstacle is the politics of Mars, since they would likely put the STC under lock and key, and the larger Imperium would only see a very slow trickle-down benefit.

I would actually say the delay is the best case scenario, with the worst case scenario being the utter secession of Mars from the Imperium. With a fully-intact STC, they could easily construct a fleet that would scour the Milky Way of any opposition.

Well, an example of an STC from the DE codex is the 'Panacea' thing that could stop billions of
death-by-illness (cancer and stuff) but Lady Malys stole it to make the Imperium feel bad.

However, if any other STC's as useful as that were found, i'd say that the Imperium has
a good chance at ascendancy.

I would like to think that the Imperium gets a massive tech boost to allow it to run much more efficiently. Should buy them a lot more time.
Think about ancient unstoppable battleships and starforts and such. If the imperium was able to build more of these....

If an STC machine was found it may have a beneficial effect for the imperium because of the power to make new tech.

Other:

It really depends on what that particular STC did. If it were an STC for super advanced anti-warp weapons then it may just win them the war. If it is an STC for fantastic medicines and advanced genome projects it may help slow the rate of the IoM demise to a crawl.

The ability to rebuild or fix the Golden Throne vanished with the deaths of Malcador and the Techno magi who built the Arkashic (sp?) reader in the Mechanicum HH novel. Once the Emperor was entombed he could no longer give instructions on its maintenance and Malcador and the Fabricator from Mars who built the reader were the only other people, allied with the Imperium, who truly understood how such a throne may work. An STC would be of little help because the Golden Throne, like the Primarchs and all of the Emperor's inventions, are not based upon STC technology but rather technologies utilizing the Warp in a way only the Emperor truly understood. Perhaps certain facets of the Necron Dynastys or a Ctan, whole not shard, could fix the throne but I doubt they would.

If you're talking about a completely intact STC with the full library of whatever designs they shipped out with, then I'd say it'd save the Imperium. This is the same technology that allowed for the creation of the first human galactic empire after all.

Now whether or not Mars would actually let anything be built using the STC is a different question. They'd probably take a few centuries to verify its purity or some such crap.

^ Nah, that's more of an Inquisition job for purity and whatnot.

I'm pretty sure the Mechanicus doesn't care too much about actual purity compared to whatever designs it has.

It would depend on whether the STC they found was an STC for a hyper efficient toaster design or a STC for big honking dark age battleships with pew pew lasers...

The latter quite useful... the former, not so much!

The STC Device (which creates the print outs and plans the Ad Mech goes nuts for). If someone found one of those they would ship it to Mars with every single Ad mech Warship active to guard it en route.

With the new tech it would make the Imperium very powerful with the new technology AND to make so called "Anceint Rare Tech" (like plasma tech or other things) able to be mass manufactured by anyone. Also maybe, just maybe, with all their old lost stuff back the Ad Mech would use it all as a starting point to further enhance technology.

And fun would be had by All! as a massive new wave of tech increases the war fighting capability of the Imperium to allow them to sweep away large swaths of their enemies (everyone)

I'm going with delay the inevitable. Depending on what type of schematics the STC has on it. For instance some sort of advanced weaponry never before seen by the Imperium. Or maybe a design for an electric toothbrush, then we have little hope. But at least everyone will have clean teeth.

Hypothetically? Maybe.

The whole point of 40k is that the setting is 5 minutes from midnight. The Imperium is on the verge of collapse and beset on all sides by inter-galactic Tyrranids, xenos hordes, and ruinous chaos powers. Only YOU can hold them back.

Alternatively, the Imperium is weak and it's throat is exposed. If only your Ork Warband or Dark Eldar Raiders or Awakened Necrons could find away to exploit their weakness, they could be finished off!

TLDR: Sure, but that's not the point of 40k!

A fully intact STC would have every single blueprint for all of the technology humanity discovered in the dark age of technology. EVERYTHING. Imagine mass produced power armor and plasmaguns. Humanity would be unstoppable.

daveNYC wrote:
If you're talking about a completely intact STC with the full library of whatever designs they shipped out with, then I'd say it'd save the Imperium. This is the same technology that allowed for the creation of the first human galactic empire after all.

Now whether or not Mars would actually let anything be built using the STC is a different question. They'd probably take a few centuries to verify its purity or some such crap.

I kind of agree with you here.

However I always thought that the Admechs would see an intact STC as a gift from the Omnissiah. Wouldn't the Admech just start constructing everything the STC had to offer?

"Magos! A new pattern has been gifted to us from the holy STC!!!"

"What manner of gift is this pattern?"

"The STC labels it as 'Salad Fork', my lord."

"Construct a new forgeworld immediately! We must make these holy 'salad forks' right away!!! The STC seems to be simple enough. I want 60 billion of these ready by next week!"

An STC? Not really that is just a computerized plueprint as the name says, " Standard Template construction". And STC Engine on the other hand would make a lot of difference. Just look at the trouble one under armed world gave Horus becuase they happen to have an STC Engine and an STC to build fortifications.

The Imperium's main problem is not it's technology but the attitude of it's leadership, especialy that of the techpriests of mars.
What good does it to be able to build a battleship when the knowledge of many scientifical principles has slipped away a long time ago?
With a fully functional STC imperial tech will simply reach a new plateau and stagnate there, just like current imperial technology is largely stagnant.

 ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

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OverwatchCNC wrote:Other:

It really depends on what that particular STC did. If it were an STC for super advanced anti-warp weapons then it may just win them the war. If it is an STC for fantastic medicines and advanced genome projects it may help slow the rate of the IoM demise to a crawl.

The ability to rebuild or fix the Golden Throne vanished with the deaths of Malcador and the Techno magi who built the Arkashic (sp?) reader in the Mechanicum HH novel. Once the Emperor was entombed he could no longer give instructions on its maintenance and Malcador and the Fabricator from Mars who built the reader were the only other people, allied with the Imperium, who truly understood how such a throne may work. An STC would be of little help because the Golden Throne, like the Primarchs and all of the Emperor's inventions, are not based upon STC technology but rather technologies utilizing the Warp in a way only the Emperor truly understood. Perhaps certain facets of the Necron Dynastys or a Ctan, whole not shard, could fix the throne but I doubt they would.

daveNYC wrote:If you're talking about a completely intact STC with the full library of whatever designs they shipped out with, then I'd say it'd save the Imperium. This is the same technology that allowed for the creation of the first human galactic empire after all.

Now whether or not Mars would actually let anything be built using the STC is a different question. They'd probably take a few centuries to verify its purity or some such crap.

Mellow wrote:It would depend on whether the STC they found was an STC for a hyper efficient toaster design or a STC for big honking dark age battleships with pew pew lasers...

The latter quite useful... the former, not so much!

Brother Hartis wrote:I'm going with delay the inevitable. Depending on what type of schematics the STC has on it. For instance some sort of advanced weaponry never before seen by the Imperium. Or maybe a design for an electric toothbrush, then we have little hope. But at least everyone will have clean teeth.

A fully intact STD would have every single blueprint for all of the technology humanity discovered in the dark age of technology. EVERYTHING. Imagine mass produced power armor and plasmaguns. Humanity would be unstoppable.

A fully intact STD would more than likely be in service to Nurgle...

There is a difference between an STC and an STC engine. The op asked about an STC saving the Imperium not an STC engine. An engine would contain much more than the blueprints to a single amazing piece of technology but that's not what he was asking about.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

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OverwatchCNC wrote:Other:

It really depends on what that particular STC did. If it were an STC for super advanced anti-warp weapons then it may just win them the war. If it is an STC for fantastic medicines and advanced genome projects it may help slow the rate of the IoM demise to a crawl.

The ability to rebuild or fix the Golden Throne vanished with the deaths of Malcador and the Techno magi who built the Arkashic (sp?) reader in the Mechanicum HH novel. Once the Emperor was entombed he could no longer give instructions on its maintenance and Malcador and the Fabricator from Mars who built the reader were the only other people, allied with the Imperium, who truly understood how such a throne may work. An STC would be of little help because the Golden Throne, like the Primarchs and all of the Emperor's inventions, are not based upon STC technology but rather technologies utilizing the Warp in a way only the Emperor truly understood. Perhaps certain facets of the Necron Dynastys or a Ctan, whole not shard, could fix the throne but I doubt they would.

daveNYC wrote:If you're talking about a completely intact STC with the full library of whatever designs they shipped out with, then I'd say it'd save the Imperium. This is the same technology that allowed for the creation of the first human galactic empire after all.

Now whether or not Mars would actually let anything be built using the STC is a different question. They'd probably take a few centuries to verify its purity or some such crap.

Mellow wrote:It would depend on whether the STC they found was an STC for a hyper efficient toaster design or a STC for big honking dark age battleships with pew pew lasers...

The latter quite useful... the former, not so much!

Brother Hartis wrote:I'm going with delay the inevitable. Depending on what type of schematics the STC has on it. For instance some sort of advanced weaponry never before seen by the Imperium. Or maybe a design for an electric toothbrush, then we have little hope. But at least everyone will have clean teeth.

A fully intact STD would have every single blueprint for all of the technology humanity discovered in the dark age of technology. EVERYTHING. Imagine mass produced power armor and plasmaguns. Humanity would be unstoppable.

A fully intact STD would more than likely be in service to Nurgle...

There is a difference between an STC and an STC engine. The op asked about an STC saving the Imperium not an STC engine. An engine would contain much more than the blueprints to a single amazing piece of technology but that's not what he was asking about.

I didn't realize that there was a difference.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

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OverwatchCNC wrote:Other:

It really depends on what that particular STC did. If it were an STC for super advanced anti-warp weapons then it may just win them the war. If it is an STC for fantastic medicines and advanced genome projects it may help slow the rate of the IoM demise to a crawl.

The ability to rebuild or fix the Golden Throne vanished with the deaths of Malcador and the Techno magi who built the Arkashic (sp?) reader in the Mechanicum HH novel. Once the Emperor was entombed he could no longer give instructions on its maintenance and Malcador and the Fabricator from Mars who built the reader were the only other people, allied with the Imperium, who truly understood how such a throne may work. An STC would be of little help because the Golden Throne, like the Primarchs and all of the Emperor's inventions, are not based upon STC technology but rather technologies utilizing the Warp in a way only the Emperor truly understood. Perhaps certain facets of the Necron Dynastys or a Ctan, whole not shard, could fix the throne but I doubt they would.

daveNYC wrote:If you're talking about a completely intact STC with the full library of whatever designs they shipped out with, then I'd say it'd save the Imperium. This is the same technology that allowed for the creation of the first human galactic empire after all.

Now whether or not Mars would actually let anything be built using the STC is a different question. They'd probably take a few centuries to verify its purity or some such crap.

Mellow wrote:It would depend on whether the STC they found was an STC for a hyper efficient toaster design or a STC for big honking dark age battleships with pew pew lasers...

The latter quite useful... the former, not so much!

Brother Hartis wrote:I'm going with delay the inevitable. Depending on what type of schematics the STC has on it. For instance some sort of advanced weaponry never before seen by the Imperium. Or maybe a design for an electric toothbrush, then we have little hope. But at least everyone will have clean teeth.

A fully intact STD would have every single blueprint for all of the technology humanity discovered in the dark age of technology. EVERYTHING. Imagine mass produced power armor and plasmaguns. Humanity would be unstoppable.

A fully intact STD would more than likely be in service to Nurgle...

There is a difference between an STC and an STC engine. The op asked about an STC saving the Imperium not an STC engine. An engine would contain much more than the blueprints to a single amazing piece of technology but that's not what he was asking about.

I made an hilarious typo. I'm debating fixing it or not.

Caboose, a fully intact STD for the imperium probably wouldn't help. Hahaha no ones picked up on it yet. But to the point, didn't realise they contained blueprints for all technology. Was under the impression each one had different blueprints. And I could probably understand Nurgle owning one lol

A fully intact STC engine is sort of the "holy grail" of 40k. It would allow the mass production of extraordinarily powerful vehicles, weapons, and armor-- barely-understood and extremely powerful relics from the Dark Age of Technology would become the new standard issue. But would this save the Imperium? It would certainly put Imperial forces into much better positions relative to Xenos armies, but there would still be quite a threat from internal dissent and Chaotic or renegade factions. So I don't think it would save the Imperium completely and immediately usher in a new golden age, but it would certainly greatly bolster Humanity's fortunes and give Mankind's forces massive battlefield advantages.

As for individual STCs, they are of differing value. Some are enormously important, while others are lackluster. If someone recovered the STC for new military vehicles or new power sources, that would obviously be quite important (both the Land Raider and Land Speeder are the results of such discoveries)-- on the other hand, some STCs pertain to mundane or useless objects. However, it's important to note that any STC discovery can have effects on the Imperium as a whole, so even a minor improvement can be extremely important-- there's a fluff piece about an Imperial Guard recon unit who discovered an STC that yielded an improvement to Astartes combat knives. However, this was such an important find that each member of the unit was given their own planet.

 Makarov wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

Spoiler:

OverwatchCNC wrote:Other:

It really depends on what that particular STC did. If it were an STC for super advanced anti-warp weapons then it may just win them the war. If it is an STC for fantastic medicines and advanced genome projects it may help slow the rate of the IoM demise to a crawl.

The ability to rebuild or fix the Golden Throne vanished with the deaths of Malcador and the Techno magi who built the Arkashic (sp?) reader in the Mechanicum HH novel. Once the Emperor was entombed he could no longer give instructions on its maintenance and Malcador and the Fabricator from Mars who built the reader were the only other people, allied with the Imperium, who truly understood how such a throne may work. An STC would be of little help because the Golden Throne, like the Primarchs and all of the Emperor's inventions, are not based upon STC technology but rather technologies utilizing the Warp in a way only the Emperor truly understood. Perhaps certain facets of the Necron Dynastys or a Ctan, whole not shard, could fix the throne but I doubt they would.

daveNYC wrote:If you're talking about a completely intact STC with the full library of whatever designs they shipped out with, then I'd say it'd save the Imperium. This is the same technology that allowed for the creation of the first human galactic empire after all.

Now whether or not Mars would actually let anything be built using the STC is a different question. They'd probably take a few centuries to verify its purity or some such crap.

Mellow wrote:It would depend on whether the STC they found was an STC for a hyper efficient toaster design or a STC for big honking dark age battleships with pew pew lasers...

The latter quite useful... the former, not so much!

Brother Hartis wrote:I'm going with delay the inevitable. Depending on what type of schematics the STC has on it. For instance some sort of advanced weaponry never before seen by the Imperium. Or maybe a design for an electric toothbrush, then we have little hope. But at least everyone will have clean teeth.

A fully intact STD would have every single blueprint for all of the technology humanity discovered in the dark age of technology. EVERYTHING. Imagine mass produced power armor and plasmaguns. Humanity would be unstoppable.

A fully intact STD would more than likely be in service to Nurgle...

There is a difference between an STC and an STC engine. The op asked about an STC saving the Imperium not an STC engine. An engine would contain much more than the blueprints to a single amazing piece of technology but that's not what he was asking about.

I didn't realize that there was a difference.

No worries.

My original statement still stands though. Even a full STC engine with every design possible from the Golden Age of Technology in tact would still not be able to fix the Golden Throne/Revive the Emperor/Replace the Astronomicon. So it may slow the fall of the IoM but it wouldn't save it.


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Brother Hartis wrote:
Caboose, a fully intact STD for the imperium probably wouldn't help. Hahaha no ones picked up on it yet. But to the point, didn't realise they contained blueprints for all technology. Was under the impression each one had different blueprints. And I could probably understand Nurgle owning one lol

I picked up on it! See my post above his

Haha I would say leave the typo

A fully intact STC would save the imperium from a few of the enemys but probably not chaos.

Also no more gets hot plasma meltdowns!

Well, it truly depends on the STC, if its another knife I doubt it will much effect, but if it was an STC either noncorrupted Iron Men, or a easily massproduced/easily ran Titan, then I would say the IoM could be saved from at least the various Xenos threats.

As ObliviousBlueCaboose stated, a fully intact STC is in fact the machine that produces templates put into it. As far as we know in fluff, no STC exists, and instead the Mechanicus just has templates of varying purpose and origin.

Of course, the Ad Mech go bannas just for a template so a fully intact STC would cause a freakin riot across the imperium.

The interesting thing is that in the fluff, during the golden age of technology, an STC was standard kit for colonists as it could build anything that humanity could need from space age toaster to a battleship. Considering the Ad Mech is advanced as it is with just templates, imagine an imperium with a full STC of designs!

Depends on what it's for. There's an STC for sporks out there. That will only delay the inevitable.

Baneblades are STC light tanks...imagine STC battle tanks and super-heavies, or other advanced technology.

If the Golden Throne failed and the Emperor died, the Imperium would still be far ahead of were it is now with an STC engine.

With an STC Engine they could conquer the universe with the power of mass produced super advanced tech rather than Psyker and warp power.


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 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Depends on what it's for. There's an STC for sporks out there. That will only delay the inevitable.

Even the smallest STC print is still a boon for the Imperium.

Say they found a STC for a self powering tractor, at first that seems minor, but imagine the uses if the applied properly. Vehicles that don't need refueling, easy transport, Imperium gets a bonus to logistics support.

And bam there you have it.

Every STC print has a point and purpose.

 Tadashi wrote:
Baneblades are STC light tanks...imagine STC battle tanks and super-heavies, or other advanced technology.

actually no.

the Baneblade is the "Standard" Super Heavy Tank.
Supposedly it was in service in the Age of Strife and all that so it dates waaaaay back.

An STC would basically be the IOM's "I win" button.

All of Mankinds ancient technology would be unlocked and given back to them.