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Been trying to get in too wargaming for a few months now, but everytime i decide on something, another thing pops up and changes my mind.So im back to the big two, warhammer 40k and warmachine
the problem is i dislike warmachine miniatures but love their rules and the cards to track damage and stuff. On the other hand i just love the tau army but the game rules seem like a mess to me.

so i thought i would decide by cost, since i plan to collect any army or faction i choose (one of each or something like that) in the end it turned out to be about the same. a full tau army is about the same as any warmachine faction

so how to choose

What do you find yourself participating in more? The hobby side of the game or the game side of the game?

If you prefer the game, with Warmachine the models are second to the rules, meaning even if you don't like the aesthetic of the models, you will be wrapped up in the strategy of the game anyway. Most of the time all I pay attention to is the size of the base and not whats on it

Also if you play your Tau, a new edition may come out rendering your current army useless. You won't see that with Warmachine.

My vote is clearly with Warmachine

You do need to choose models over gameplay. Personally I chose models and went with 40K.

Mattman154 wrote:

Also if you play your Tau, a new edition may come out rendering your current army useless. You won't see that with Warmachine.

Really? Didn't they change the rules in 2010?
I've been gaming a long time and I would never put money on a company not changing rules?

Who plays more in your area? It's an important factor, since you don't want to be stuck with a game you can't actually play.

My vote would probably be with 40k. The miniatures are the most important thing for most people - the vast majority of people collect armies that may not be THE most powerful, but that they like playing. If I think of the total amount of time I spend on the hobby, playing is probably only about 20% of that. I wouldn't want to spend the other 80% converting, painting and modelling miniatures I don't like.

On the other hand, if you're not planning to paint, and just want to game (and people in your area play it) maybe Warmachine is a better option for you. The rules are known to be much better (though I wouldn't say 40k is a 'mess' - it's just more complex and less balanced).

To be honest its up to you if you like gaming go with warmachine if you prefer havin nice models id go with 40k in those options

Well both are played, i was able to try a few games of warmachine and 40k, thats how i got to the conclusion i liked warmachine rules better, but those 40k models just looked so sleek on the field, and yeah the rules arent a mess just more stuff to memorise since there are no quick reference cards.

I asume playing warmachine with 40k models isnt an option right lol

 Ugavine wrote:
You do need to choose models over gameplay. Personally I chose models and went with 40K.

Mattman154 wrote:

Also if you play your Tau, a new edition may come out rendering your current army useless. You won't see that with Warmachine.

Really? Didn't they change the rules in 2010?
I've been gaming a long time and I would never put money on a company not changing rules?

They did change the rules to MKII a few years ago, but that was very well received by the playerbase. Sure some of the models rules were tweaked and balanced, but every model is still valid

silverglove wrote:

I asume playing warmachine with 40k models isnt an option right lol

Why not? As far as I know warmachine doesn't have true line of sight and crisis suits could easily reprecent warjacks and so on. The only things you can't do is play warmachine in gw store.

Mattman154 wrote:

 Ugavine wrote:
You do need to choose models over gameplay. Personally I chose models and went with 40K.

Mattman154 wrote:

Also if you play your Tau, a new edition may come out rendering your current army useless. You won't see that with Warmachine.

Really? Didn't they change the rules in 2010?
I've been gaming a long time and I would never put money on a company not changing rules?

They did change the rules to MKII a few years ago, but that was very well received by the playerbase. Sure some of the models rules were tweaked and balanced, but every model is still valid

You can still use any GW mini ever made as well and that is after 6 editions of rules. It is a flat out lie to say in either system that rules changes have not made some models better than others. Also some of the players hated the MKII rules or Warmachine and most of the fans liked them. The same thing happens with GW games. It really comes down to playing which ever gives you the most enjoyment.


As for TAu in warmachine I think you will find that most people will not like it no matter what you might hear from someone on the internet. Ask your local player base first to avoid problems.

You could always make your own reference cards to 40K if you wanted. To help keep track, know a number of people who have done that.

vhwolf wrote:

Mattman154 wrote:

 Ugavine wrote:
You do need to choose models over gameplay. Personally I chose models and went with 40K.

Mattman154 wrote:

Also if you play your Tau, a new edition may come out rendering your current army useless. You won't see that with Warmachine.

Really? Didn't they change the rules in 2010?
I've been gaming a long time and I would never put money on a company not changing rules?

They did change the rules to MKII a few years ago, but that was very well received by the playerbase. Sure some of the models rules were tweaked and balanced, but every model is still valid

You can still use any GW mini ever made as well and that is after 6 editions of rules. It is a flat out lie to say in either system that rules changes have not made some models better than others. Also some of the players hated the MKII rules or Warmachine and most of the fans liked them. The same thing happens with GW games. It really comes down to playing which ever gives you the most enjoyment.

Well yes, you can definitely use the models as proxies or conversions, but if you bought a model such as the Red Terror looking to use it as a Red Terror, you no longer can. Sure you can use the model as a regular Trygon, but that's not what you bought the model for (Unless you totally did lol). There is no such issue in Warmachine, no model stats have been made invalid. They have changed, but if you bought Long Gunners expecting to use them as Long Gunners, that is still valid.

As for rules, I never said that models didn't become more powerful, I just pointed out that the models remained playable (From a rules, not physical model perspective) through edition changes.

Also the fact that everything is update at once is a plus, instead of some things going entire editions without an update.

Mattman154 wrote:

vhwolf wrote:

Mattman154 wrote:

 Ugavine wrote:
You do need to choose models over gameplay. Personally I chose models and went with 40K.

Mattman154 wrote:

Also if you play your Tau, a new edition may come out rendering your current army useless. You won't see that with Warmachine.

Really? Didn't they change the rules in 2010?
I've been gaming a long time and I would never put money on a company not changing rules?

They did change the rules to MKII a few years ago, but that was very well received by the playerbase. Sure some of the models rules were tweaked and balanced, but every model is still valid

You can still use any GW mini ever made as well and that is after 6 editions of rules. It is a flat out lie to say in either system that rules changes have not made some models better than others. Also some of the players hated the MKII rules or Warmachine and most of the fans liked them. The same thing happens with GW games. It really comes down to playing which ever gives you the most enjoyment.

Well yes, you can definitely use the models as proxies or conversions, but if you bought a model such as the Red Terror looking to use it as a Red Terror, you no longer can. Sure you can use the model as a regular Trygon, but that's not what you bought the model for (Unless you totally did lol). There is no such issue in Warmachine, no model stats have been made invalid. They have changed, but if you bought Long Gunners expecting to use them as Long Gunners, that is still valid.

As for rules, I never said that models didn't become more powerful, I just pointed out that the models remained playable (From a rules, not physical model perspective) through edition changes.

Also the fact that everything is update at once is a plus, instead of some things going entire editions without an update.

Give Warmachine 20 years they will have models that cant be used. For the record except for Squats (which still get used as IG)there are very few older models without stats in the game at this point, and GW has a much bigger range than anyone else.


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For the record I also have three large PP armies so I am not just defending anyone. I just like the whole story to be told.

Tough choice... I think you should play Infinity... Haha jk

I used to go back and forth with the systems... 2007 it was wm, 2008, it was 40k, 2009 wm, 2011 40k... This year I'm really undecided... Hurts the wallet.

If you want a Balanced Game.

Play Warmachine, Check out the New stuff that is out.. The new models are very nice. (alot of new Plastic Kit jacks also)

40k.. Yea.. The price keeps going up.. and the rules are Gakk now. Hardly any balance in sight.

 djphranq wrote:
Tough choice... I think you should play Infinity... Haha jk

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now you have me looking at the infinity models......and they are very nice , i think i saw a box of them at my LGS, ill have to ask about a game demo for them, now with that in my choice hasnt become any easier

maybe ill just buy a battle force for each and see wich one i enjoy painting more

(and thank you for the advice, all of you are gentlemen and scholars)

Personally, I'm going for 1 army per game system. So 1 for 40k, 1 for WM, 1 for Hordes, 1 for Infinity, etc. etc.

Mattman154 wrote:
Well yes, you can definitely use the models as proxies or conversions, but if you bought a model such as the Red Terror looking to use it as a Red Terror, you no longer can.

Sure you can. It just uses the same rules as a normal Trygon.

Sure you can use the model as a regular Trygon, but that's not what you bought the model for

The same could be said of any model that has had rules changed between editions. It's simply a matter of degrees. If your Long Gunners have changed rules, then they are not the Long Gunners that you bought them to be.



Ultimately, so long as the models are still usable, it shouldn't be an issue.

 insaniak wrote:

Mattman154 wrote:
Well yes, you can definitely use the models as proxies or conversions, but if you bought a model such as the Red Terror looking to use it as a Red Terror, you no longer can.

Sure you can. It just uses the same rules as a normal Trygon.

The Red Terror is actually the basis for the Mawloc.

However, the GW website actually does recommend it be used as a Tyranid Prime. It's far too small to be used as a Mawloc or Trygon.

You know cost wise I think its a toss up.

On one hand Warmachine can utilize less models so you don't have to buy as much.

On the other hand Warhammer 40,000 has a little bit more customization/flexibility so you can have a little more variety to the army you play and can potentially get your monies' worth.

Here's why I'll never play Warmachine:

In 40K you can convert your models. You can paint them how you want them. You can, if you don't plan on playing at a GW store or event, use different company's models and bitz for your army.

I've always found 40k and WFB players open to conversions, alternative paint schemes etc.

In Warmachine, I've found players go nuts if you change the models, paint them in different schemes, or use different models to represent the units. I hate their figures, and since they flip out on using different models, I'll never play the game using models I like.

That being said, one of the claims by PP fans is that Warmachine is cheaper to get in to. So do both games!

Yeah, the acceptance of conversions in the PP player world seems to be a lot narrower than in GW... but they are out there. But I mostly only see them in forums or magazines. The closest thing I've seen to a conversion locally is a guy put horns on the Kraye model's horse.