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Just to give a quick overview of myself. I have been playing 40k since 4th Edition and have always been a Marine player be it Codex : DA and lately Codex : SM. I try to make a hell of a list with the SM and out play my opponent.

So here are the list gents and gals (if we have any on this site)

List One.

HQ : Master of the Forge : Conversion Beamer : 120 pts
Elites : 6x Terminators with TH/SS inside a LR : 690
Heavy : 2x Dreadnought Twin Linked Auto Cannons : 250 pts
Aegis Defense Line : 50 pts
Fast Attack : Storm Talon with Typhoon Rockets : 155pts
Fast Attack : Storm Talon with Typhoon Rockets : 155pts

Troops : 10x Man Tac squad - Plasma Gun - Rocket Launcher - Laz/Plas RB : 255
Troops : 10x Man Tac squad - Plasma Gun - Rocket Launcher - Laz/Plas RB : 255
Troops : 10x Man Tac squad - Plasma Gun - Rocket Launcher - Laz/Plas RB : 255

---1985

List Two.


HQ: Pedro - 175
HQ: Master of the Forge - 100
Heavy : 3x Dreadnought Twin Linked Auto Cannons : 375 pts
Aegis Defense Line : 50
Troops : 10x Man Tac squad - Plasma Gun - Rocket Launcher - PF Sergeant - Laz/Plas RB : 280
Troops : 10x Man Tac squad - Plasma Gun - Rocket Launcher - PF Sergeant - Laz/Plas RB : 280
Elites : 10x Sternguard - 10x Combi Plasma - Powerfist - Rhino : 360
Elites : 10x Sternguard - 10x Combi Plasma - Powerfist - Rhino : 360

---1980.

I look forward to reading your thoughts and Idea.

Cheers!

List one looks like it wants to play more stand-offish. It has tons of 48" ranged firepower that wants to sit way back and away from the enemy. This stand off nature puts the LRC at a disadvantage, since it won't be adding onto the ranged game that the list is trying to play towards. Consider a Godhammer LR instead. This also frees up points since you have to drop 2 TH/SS Termies.

What's the purpose of the Aegis if there's no Quadgun? To provide 4+ cover to the combat squads? That's not worth 50 points if that's the case. Riflemans to serve as anti-flyer won't be enough IMO since TL isn't reliable enough to cause hits, and S7 won't be efficient against the scary flyers which are AV12. Consider 2 Stormtalons.

Why does the MOTF have a Plasma Pistol? He should have a Conversion Beamer considering how awesome of a weapon it is.

List 2 looks all over the place. Generally, with Pedro, you want to build very aggressive and get the Sternguard into the enemy really quickly, as well as benefit from his +1 attack aura. Drop Pods would be ideal for this delivery system. Again I don't see the use of the Aegis here as I mentioned in list 1. If you do Drop Pod the Sternguard, you should have 5x Combi Meltas and 5x Combi-Plasmas/Flamers (whichever you prefer). I suggest Combi-Flamers since your anti-horde is lacking. You also need more anti-flyer rather than Riflemans here as well, so look at Stormtalons again.

* I updated list one to reflect the points.



I have dropped flyers rather easily with the rifleman dreads, thats 16 str 7 shots and on AV 12 it's 5 and 6's all over again.

I can see the thought for the godhammer yes but it means less terminators for my anti-deathstar unit.

So this is what I can do points wise. If I take the Godhammer I drop 80pts because I can only fit 6 termies.

If I do that and add the 5 point difference for the conversion beamer on the MoTF and drop a Rifledread I can add one StormTalon with the Sky Hammer Rockets and that puts me at 1950pts.


Honestly the Aegis is their for the dreadnaughts....4+cover for them is nice. I want them to last as long as the emperor wishes. haha.

Cheers!

List two is banking on the Sternguard and the Kraken bolter rounds making whatever they are shooting at take massive saves and then the combis go off ass needed,

I quite like list 1. Just not sure on the termies+raider they need to perform well for you, I think I would have at least have some lightning claws in there.
Maybe make MotF cc oriented and chuck him in the raider.

Second list MotF doesn't do so much for you. That is a straight drop.
The sternguard are just not nicely set up.
You have too many points for rhinos. Then their plasma guns whilst better than their special ammo they are not that much better. AT least some combimeltas would be useful. Powerfists are asking to be assassinated in challenges.

I choose 1st list as it requires less tweaking

I like list 2 the most, only thing I would say is drop the rhinos and get drop pods. Think about it, enemies moving up on you ADL. You get some nice shots on their back armor to slow them down, also, you can grab objectives from under their nose. I think you should switch 1 squad to full combi meltas for anti tank. or half and half, your pick. Other wise, nice shooty list.