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Hello Dakka, Recently started playing necrons around the time the new codex came out, and have been tinkering with them until the new units/models became available. Now with 6th edition here and the new release, I am wanting to create a serous list. Here's what I have so far from my own research and preference.

HQ:
Overlord - 175
Warscythe
weave( +2 armor save)
Phase Shifter (+3 invul save)
Mindshackle Scarabs

Troops:
14 Warriors with Lord - 272
Lords setup - Warscythe, Weave, Orb

14 Warriors with Lord - 272
Lords setup - Warscythe, weave, Orb

10 Immortals with Harbinger of Storm - 205
cryptek setup: Voltaic Staff, Lightning Field

Elites:
5 Deathmarks with Harbinger of Despair - 155
Cryptek setup: Abyssal Staff, Veil Darkness

Triarch Stalker - 150

Triarch Stalker - 150

Fast Attack:
3 Wraiths - 150
Whip Coils
Particle Caster

Heavy Support:
Annihilation Barge - 90

Annihilation Barge - 90

Transports:
Night Scythe (carrying Warriors and Lord) - 100

Night Scythe (carrying Warriors and Lord) - 100

Catacomb Command Barge ( carrying Overlord) - 80

Total - 1989

any thoughts suggestion are welcome, leave a comment below!!

I'm not so sure about adding the wraiths judging by the make-up of your army. I would commit to the style that you have played, which is shooting orientated. Throwing in Wraiths seems a bit off beat at this point. Consider adding some more death marks and maybe another Barge. Btw I like the Stalker spam but maybe you might want to add heavy gauss cannons on them SOBs

If I were you, i would drop the two regular lords, hopefully the warriors wont be needing them since they'll be embarked most of the game, you'd benefit more from x3 more wraiths

Also, the stalkers are force multipliers, most of your army has twin linked guns, or is embarked. Their impact might be somewhat...disappointing.

I would find a way to put 3 more wraiths in that squad. From everything I've seen, 3 will go splat before they are useful, 6 will get gak done.
If you really want to use the stalkers, drop the heat ray. The stalker's biggest boost is their twin link ability, which can be triggered by pieplates or a 36" range twinlinked gun much more efficently than either firing mode of the heat ray.

Okay...so if i go just straight warriors, and drop the lords, would it be more effective to just run 2 ghost arks with a 10 man of warriors? that way i can maybe fit in a few DS and fill in the rest of the wraith squad...thoughts?



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And what are the suggestions for the Immortals: Gauss or Tesla?

If I'm taking out the scythes for arks, that's a large drop in my Tesla to Gauss ratio in firepower. or is Gauss with the new rules on glancing and HP make Gauss THAT good?

The tesla-gauss thing for immortals is more of a "what will this squad be doing" type thing. If you feel the squad is going to be within 12" of the enemy a lot, or will be threatened by tanks, go gauss. If you think the squad will be at that 24" mark more often (like chilling and defending an objective) I'd go tesla.

What I meant was, Tesla is my "anti-infantry" weapons, relying solely on Gauss kinda doesn't seem to go right. As for the Immortals, going Tesla over Gauss means there threat range is 24" plus movement for the full effect (6 to hit +2 Hits) while the Gauss equivalent is slightly stronger than a Warriors weapon while having roughly half the shot volume and only reaches full potential at 12" for RF. In overwatch, I'm not sure how that plays out as I'm not that much of a math person as to which gets more shots in statistically. And keep in Mind this list is primarily meant to deal with GKs and the Like.

Just based on volume of shots, gauss is statistically better than tesla under 12". Thats why I said, if you are doing something like using immortals to drop in from the sky near their lines, where you can use that 12" range, go gauss. If your immortals are going to sit back and objective camp, you are probably better off with tesla

As with wraiths, field them in squads of 5-6 to get the best results. I would bounce the stalkers and the wraiths for DOOM SCYTHES! Seriously, they will attract all or none of your enemy's fire, at least that's my experience. Here's what I came up with:

Overlord - goodies 255
Lord x2 SW, Warscythe, Res Orb
Cryptek - HotS, Lightning Field
Cryptek - HoDesp, VoD

6 Deathmarks

14 Warriors - Night Scythe
14 Warriors - Night Scythe
10 Immortals - Tesla
10 Immortals - Gauss - Night Scythe - Cryptek HotS

Doom Scythe
Doom Scythe

1998 pts

 Great Deceiver wrote:
As with wraiths, field them in squads of 5-6 to get the best results. I would bounce the stalkers and the wraiths for DOOM SCYTHES! Seriously, they will attract all or none of your enemy's fire, at least that's my experience. Here's what I came up with:

Overlord - goodies 255
Lord x2 SW, Warscythe, Res Orb
Cryptek - HotS, Lightning Field
Cryptek - HoDesp, VoD

6 Deathmarks

14 Warriors - Night Scythe
14 Warriors - Night Scythe
10 Immortals - Tesla
10 Immortals - Gauss - Night Scythe - Cryptek HotS

Doom Scythe
Doom Scythe

1998 pts

This is a good list but i would drop the 10 Immortals tesla and the HoT to put Deathmarks in Night Scythe or drop the Night Scythe with Immortals and put the wraiths in so you're opponents second guess themselves
on whether to shoot at flyers or wraith's. Defiantly keep the Doom Scythe's.

So whats better in effectiveness: a ghost ark with 10 warriors inside, or a night scythe with 15 warriors? I can see the allure of the NS due to its flyer status and the strength of flyers in general in 6th ed, but wit hark and warriors, your talking about an opened top vehicle turned sideways for a large volume of fire while keeping the warriors safe in a av13 skimmer (for the cover save) until penned and if doesn't get wrecked first, its still 11 which is as good as a rhino. Whereas a NS has no FP and has only a slightly better weapon attached and nowhere near the volume of fire for vehicle OR infantry purposes. Now Doom scythes sound amazing, but I don't like the idea of fielding the majority of my army in reserves (flyers start the game in reserve if i'm correct)

what loadout does that entail? Just kitting him out with everything? If im putting him in a CCB, which I will, the only thing he rly needs is a warscythe, weave, PS, and if you wanna go crazy; an orb just in case you expect him to die early for better EL roles....

Personally, for a good, cheap, CCB lord, I like to go with scythe/scarabs/weave/orb for a total of 160. usually, I use my lords in a defensive CC role, similar to hidden powerfist. Lords are just much nastier because of warscythes and scarabs (little bastards are NOT to be underestimated. Best 15 pts I ever spent. I can reliably beat chaos armies (demon princes included) in cc with immortals supported by lords.) I like shifters, I really do, but for all the other goodies you can get for 45 pts, you can throw your squad at ap shots with look out sirs and have them pop back up instead of risking your expensive lord

OK, based on what yall are saying here's the new list:

HQs:

Overlord - 160
warscythe
weave
orb
MSS

Troops:

15 Warriors - 195

15 Warriors - 195

10 Immortals - 170
Telsa

Transport:

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Catacomb Command Barge - 80
Gauss Cannon
carrying the Overlord

Elites:

5 Deathmarks with HoD - 155
Cryptek setup: Abyssal Staff, Veil of Darkness

Heavy Support:

Doom Scythe - 175

Doom Scythe - 175

Annihilation Barge - 90

Fat Attacks:

6 Canoptek Wraiths - 255
3 models with Whip Coils
3 models with Particle Casters

5 Tomb Blades - 150
Shadowlooms

Total - 2000

overlordweasel wrote:
OK, based on what yall are saying here's the new list:

HQs:

Overlord - 145
warscythe
weave
orb

Troops:

15 Warriors - 195

15 Warriors - 195

10 Immortals - 170
Telsa

Transport:

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Catacomb Command Barge - 80
Gauss Cannon
carrying the Overlord

Elites:

5 Deathmarks with HoD - 155
Cryptek setup: Abyssal Staff, Veil of Darkness

Heavy Support:

Doom Scythe - 175

Doom Scythe - 175

Annihilation Barge - 90
Gauss Cannon

Fat Attacks:

6 Canoptek Wraiths - 240
3 models with Whip Coils

5 Tomb Blades - 180
2 TBs with Nebuloscopes, Shadowlooms, and Particle Beamers
3 TBs with Shadowlooms and TL Gauss Blaster

Total - 2000

Ok, I'll just say that the weave and orb on your Overlord are kinda pricey. Considering that for most of the game he is going to be in his transport chariot, you can drop those two upgrades and not miss them that much. Plus It allows you to more freely take wounds on your Overlord to protect hull points, which your not going to do if you have a invuln armour save, since it's a waste.

Another thing is on your annihilation barge, give it tesla as its secondary weapon. Since your going to be moving and shooting with it most of the time, your firing snapshots with your secondary, so tesla gets more hits and the extra strength helps you out more. As a snap fire weapon even against marines the tesla option outweighs the gauss cannon.

One more thing, now I am not completely sure about this, so if someone else can verify. I think that with your tomb blades the entire unit must buy the upgrade, so they all have to have the same weapon and wargear upgrades.

That's all I got.

"One more thing, now I am not completely sure about this, so if someone else can verify. I think that with your tomb blades the entire unit must buy the upgrade, so they all have to have the same weapon and wargear upgrades. "

This is correct the entire squad must take them.

One more thing, now I am not completely sure about this, so if someone else can verify. I think that with your tomb blades the entire unit must buy the upgrade, so they all have to have the same weapon and war gear upgrades.

TB by upgrades[/i] per model[i] as per the codex, allowing a different load-out if i choose to for each model, if it were for the entire unit, they'd be roughly 50+ points cheaper having only to spend 10 points for the unit to get a shadow loom instead of 10 for each model, and that's just for one upgrade. IMHO it'd be kinda broken if it worked that way, i could almost field 2-3 full units (5) of them for the cost as they are now lol, one could only dream XD

As for the Overlords load out, i'm still deciding on his kit, need to play a few games with him to see on what he needs, and what I prefer to have him take.

O well my bad, reading back in the codex, t does say unit...

overlordweasel wrote:OK, based on what yall are saying here's the new list:

HQs:

Overlord - 145 check your Chariot rules in the BRB, weave is still good, but unnecessary till he gets out of CCB. MSS would be better IMO
warscythe
weave
orb lose the Orb

Troops:

15 Warriors - 195

15 Warriors - 195

10 Immortals - 170
Telsa

Transport:

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Catacomb Command Barge - 80 you probably want to list this near the overlord, for clarity
Gauss Cannon
carrying the Overlord

Elites:

5 Deathmarks with HoD - 155 solid choice
Cryptek setup: Abyssal Staff, Veil of Darkness

Heavy Support:

Doom Scythe - 175solid choice

Doom Scythe - 175

Annihilation Barge - 90 solid choice
Gauss Cannon

Fat Attacks:

6 Canoptek Wraiths - 240
3 models with Whip Coils

5 Tomb Blades - 180
2 TBs with Nebuloscopes, Shadowlooms, and Particle Beamers IIRC, the Tomb Blades all have to have the same upgrades. I would recommend no-upgrades and using Gauss
3 TBs with Shadowlooms and TL Gauss Blaster

Total - 2000

Consider a Destruct-tek w/ SP with the Immortals to give you some cover your opponent's 1st shooting turn. Remember, your bikes and skimmers don't get jink during your opponent's 1st turn if they go 1st.

foolishmortal wrote:

overlordweasel wrote:OK, based on what yall are saying here's the new list:

HQs:

Overlord - 145 check your Chariot rules in the BRB, weave is still good, but unnecessary till he gets out of CCB. MSS would be better IMO
warscythe
weave
orb lose the Orb

Troops:

15 Warriors - 195

15 Warriors - 195

10 Immortals - 170
Telsa

Transport:

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Night Scythe - 100
carrying Warriors

Catacomb Command Barge - 80 you probably want to list this near the overlord, for clarity
Gauss Cannon
carrying the Overlord

Elites:

5 Deathmarks with HoD - 155 solid choice
Cryptek setup: Abyssal Staff, Veil of Darkness

Heavy Support:

Doom Scythe - 175solid choice

Doom Scythe - 175

Annihilation Barge - 90 solid choice
Gauss Cannon

Fat Attacks:

6 Canoptek Wraiths - 240
3 models with Whip Coils

5 Tomb Blades - 180
2 TBs with Nebuloscopes, Shadowlooms, and Particle Beamers IIRC, the Tomb Blades all have to have the same upgrades. I would recommend no-upgrades and using Gauss
3 TBs with Shadowlooms and TL Gauss Blaster

Total - 2000

Consider a Destruct-tek w/ SP with the Immortals to give you some cover your opponent's 1st shooting turn. Remember, your bikes and skimmers don't get jink during your opponent's 1st turn if they go 1st.

This is a good list but you should lose the orb and get MSS but keep weave because
the general tactics for CCB is sweep, shoot, charge in 6th ed.

necronuser wrote:This is a good list but you should lose the orb and get MSS but keep weave because
the general tactics for CCB is sweep, shoot, charge in 6th ed.

The Weave is useless until the Overlord gets out of the CCB. Read the Chariot rules (p82), he gets a bump to armor saves while in the chariot.

I'm not saying it's useless. The CCB will eventually break, and the overlord prize inside will pop out.

I'm just saying that the weave is less important on a CCB overlord than on a footslogging one. If he can use the points somewhere else for more befit, he should

So Overlord Loadout should look more like this?

Overlord
Warscythe
Weave
MSS

Now to figure out were the put the last 15 points at...

IMO, almost all overlords should have MSS and WS

Weave is good in general, but less useful in a CCB. Not useless, just less useful

Be sure and fix your Tomb Blades upgrades also. I would recommend no upgrades on the TBs, but opinions vary


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Phase Shifter might seem expensive, but I usually prefer it over Weave

MSS are cheap point wise but are just really random for a CCB overlord. It's great on a footslogging overlord or a lord since they can challenge. But I just don't see the appeal of it on a CCB, you get a chance at 1 random opponent in CC with you. It's ok I guess but if you can make do with the points elsewhere you might want to.

But some may have another opinion on MSS on a CCB which I would like to hear.

Also the Weave is pretty useless on the CCB since he already has a 2+ on the barge till it's dead. And unless your counting on it to die I would say your better off without it. Since 3 HP on a AV 13 with Jink saves and a lord who can take wounds to keep it operational isn't the easiest to bring down.

Another option is to not Take your lords wounds away and pump him up because you aren't going to save the barge.

Punisher wrote:
MSS are cheap point wise but are just really random for a CCB overlord. It's great on a footslogging overlord or a lord since they can challenge. But I just don't see the appeal of it on a CCB, you get a chance at 1 random opponent in CC with you. It's ok I guess but if you can make do with the points elsewhere you might want to.

But some may have another opinion on MSS on a CCB which I would like to hear.

Re-read the chariot rules. Enemies in B2B with the CCB are considered to be in B2B with the Overlord. MSS on a CCB is silly fun.

well update time: figured id go with dropping my overlords weave and res orb, and field a Cryptek with Lance and GoF and stick him with the 10 Immortals.

 Dragonfodder wrote:
I would find a way to put 3 more wraiths in that squad. From everything I've seen, 3 will go splat before they are useful, 6 will get gak done.
If you really want to use the stalkers, drop the heat ray. The stalker's biggest boost is their twin link ability, which can be triggered by pieplates or a 36" range twinlinked gun much more efficently than either firing mode of the heat ray.

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