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I would like to get your input on this list. I think it is at a level of TAC that I can keep on using in order to improve my tactics instead of just writing new list.
easy, roll on divination hoping for Perfect Timing, then attach to long fangs.
How do your landspeeders fare? I see them as a potential distraction, but an easy target. Literally, a volley of bolter fire could take them out. I have never used/been against them in 40k6e yet, so I am unsure about this.
How do you deal with flyers? Long fangs (with Prescience) seem to be your only solution.
To present a solution to both questions ( if the answer to the first is, "not very well."), you could drop the speeders and find 40 pts to your liking for two rifleman dreads.
If you like my solution, here are some ways to find 40 pts:
1. Chooser, dozer blade and PF 2. Chooser, dozer blade and 1 LF w/ ML 3. Chooser and some other combinations
You probably won't need the chooser because you'll most likely take Divination powers. I am, however, assuming and you may need the chooser.
I am taking chooser because it makes my living lighting that much better. 5 missiles and 1 LL will kill most AV11/AV12 vehicles (barring flyers).
My landspeeders have mostly seen glorious days. If I go first, I speed them up and blow up a Razorback to earn back its points. Some other time, I am lucky enough to kill Bastions, Necron barges, .... If I go second, I deepstrike them and hope for the best. All and all, most people will rather shoot down oncoming rhinos and vindicators than these cheap paper planes.
2) Since you have 3 MM's on your Land Speeders, you can afford to take less melta and more plasma with your Hunters.
3) Two Rhinos isn't enough. You know how easy it is for you to kill AV11/12 with your RP and LF's? Its just as easy for every other army too. I'd say either get rid of both Rhinos, or find a way to get 2 more.
2500 pts
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I wouldnt take the LS w wouldnt prefer THC and why not more gh
"Listen closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen for your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime."Leman Russ
I don't know about TWC. For a Bear Lord, it will cost me 250, then the TWC will end up around 400. That's 400 points of non-scoring unit that I don't know if it will make its point back.
I made some changes, what do you guys think now?
Rune Priest - LL Jaws - Chooser, Meltabomb
10x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - 2x Plasmagun - Rhino
8x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - Plasmagun - Wolf Guard w/ power weapon + combi-plasma - Rhino
8x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - Meltagun - Wolf Guard w/ wolf claw + combi-melta - Rhino
8x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - Meltagun - Wolf Guard w/ power fist + combi-melta - Rhino
Landspeeder - MMHF Landspeeder - MMHF
Long Fang - 4x Missiles
Long Fang - 4x Missiles
Vindicator - Dozer Blade
I would lose the Vindicator to beef up my 4 grey hunter squads. Add 2 grey hunters to squads 2 - 4 and get a free plasma gun. It will do more damage on average than your one big blast template.
The other I don't know about is the power weapons on the wolf-guard. Perhaps add the banner and if you can, a mark of the wulfen. Do a little mathhammer to figure it out. Another option is to strip down your wolf guard to add one in terminator armor with CML to the long fangs.
DAaddict wrote: I would lose the Vindicator to beef up my 4 grey hunter squads. Add 2 grey hunters to squads 2 - 4 and get a free plasma gun. It will do more damage on average than your one big blast template.
The other I don't know about is the power weapons on the wolf-guard. Perhaps add the banner and if you can, a mark of the wulfen. Do a little mathhammer to figure it out. Another option is to strip down your wolf guard to add one in terminator armor with CML to the long fangs.
That's what I'd do. Drop the Vindicator for GH with goodies.
OR
You could get a few more LF with ML going on, which counts for more than a single shot form the Vinny.
I've been trying to figure out myself what loadout to take for my WG, I'm actually thinking of decking them out CC Termie so that I can wreck even more on closing, but I don't know if I wanna spend those kind of points.
Earlier, I heard something about TWC? I've played 2 games so far, running 1500pts and a triad of pretty beefed up TWC (1WL with all the bells and whistles on TWC, 2 TWC with 2xSS, 1WC). Cost a pretty penny, but both my games (I know, not much to run off of) they did quite well. Lost both games, but the TWC were my last guys standing on both games. So difficult to kill when played right... if that sways you in any way. It's all preference
Why is it that only those who have never fought in a battle are so eager to be in one?
Why not stick the three Grey Hunters in Pods? With the new deployment rules they'll get where they need to first turn and will have enough firepower (if you bulk 2 up to 10 man with extra plasma) too wreck whatever is in front of them. The pod on the third squad you plan to keep in the back can be used as a distraction, instant cover ect if dropped empty but will ensure that the other two drop first round. The Speeders will be fast enough to fly forward to support in the first round and the long fangs behind the ADL will be fire support. I'd lose the Wolf Guard and take another GH squad for the characters to go with, if you lose the vindicator too you should get 2 10 man squads and 2 9 man for the characters, give everyone pods (including LF if they can, no codex handy) and 3 drop first round. Find a seventh pod and all four of your GH squads drop in round one. Not sure how the points would work out, its just that people freek when you drop space viking on their doorstep
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leohart wrote: 10x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - 2x Plasmagun - Rhino
8x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - Plasmagun - Wolf Guard w/ power weapon + combi-plasma - Rhino
8x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - Meltagun - Wolf Guard w/ wolf claw + combi-melta - Rhino
8x Grey Hunter - Mark - Banner - Meltagun - Wolf Guard w/ power fist + combi-melta - Rhino
All WG out, drop two more bodies, and use the points to give the rhinos TL- Las Cans. You need the heavy dakka. Otherwise, the WG and their h2h toys are really stymied thanks to the non-assault-when-you-dismebark rule. There's still extra points to turn the Vindicator into a 3rd LF crew.
leohart wrote: Long Fang - 4x Missiles
Long Fang - 4x Missiles
Vindicator - Dozer Blade
General rule of thumb on Vinds; two are exponentially more survivable than one.
No ADL? How's the local meta for fliers?
I place my Rune Priest (with Chooser) with a LF unit, manning the Quadgun, giving me BS5 anti-Aircraft shooting. And then the Living Lightning once I've used the Interceptor shot of the gun and it needs to be quiet for a turn. Then I have LL or JoWW options in later turns.
"You can bring any cheesy unit you want. If you lose. Casey taught me that." -Tim S.
"I'm gonna follow Casey; he knows where the beer's at!" -Blackmoor, BAO 2013
J Mac wrote: bahahahaha, it stands forTetrahydrocannabinol but my guess is he meant TWC.
Exalted! +1
Dreal wrote: I wouldnt take the LS w wouldnt prefer THC and why not more gh
More THC for me too please!
I'm going to resist the temptation to tweak your list into the standard Space Wolf Grey Hunter+Rhino Spam and Long Fang ML Spam list or a Razorback spam list. Even though these are fairly competitive SW list's - we've all seen them.
I'd say, keep the Vindicator just for fun. Another squad of Long Fangs might be better, but only marginally so. As said earlier, the vindicator will draw fire and take the heat off of your Rhinos. But I would ditch the dozer blade.
Lose the meltabomb on the rune priest. Seriously, you don't want your RP in close combat with anything he's too valuable and not resilient enough to survive. You want him to hang out with the LF's in the back ground and provide either living lightning or divination.
I think you should consider getting rid of all of your wolf guard. They cost you around 120 points for only three models. Why not just make your GH squads all 10 man with 2 special weapons?
After all of that cost cutting, you might be able to squeeze in a couple more Long Fangs with ML's.
EDIT : Ok...It looks like I didn't really resist the temptation after all. But I did tell you to keep the Vindi!
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2500 pts
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
2500 pts
2000
WIP
3000
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10-15K (way too many to point up)
