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Hi everyone,

A quick one.

If an enemy charges at me, do i get to pile in if my models are higher initiative?, as it is technically an initiative step when i attack? or can i only strike the 1 model that is in B2B with me.

You pile in at your Initiative step.

Ok,

So say for example i am using my Tau army.

My kroot (i3) and hounds (i5) get charged by space marines (i4)

The enemy gets in, but with only 1 model (a standard kroot warrior).

Do my hounds get to pile in before they attack? or as it is the 1st attack of the combat, is there no pile in?

You pile in at the same I step you attack (usualy), so at I5 you make a 3" pile in move with al those models who are I5

Your hounds would Pile In and attack at I5, the marines would Pile In and attack at I4, your Kroot would Pile In and attack at I3.

At the end of combat everyone will Pile In, starting with the active players side.

K3 wrote:
My kroot (i3) and hounds (i5) get charged by space marines (i4)

The hounds pile-in at I5, the marines pile-in at I4, and the kroot pile-in at I3. Don't make this more complicated than it has to be! You pile-in at your initiative step regardless of whether you charged or not.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
You pile in at the same I step you attack (usualy), so at I5 you make a 3" pile in move with al those models who are I5

This (and the others with similar view) is correct.

With the caveat that if the I5 guys kill a bunch of models, and the I4 SM's can not get into CC with their 3 inch pile in move, the combat ends and you determine assault results and any remaining initiative steps are lost. (then once combat is resolved if the SM's make their test both armies pile in 3 inches to try to get into base contact.

 DeathReaper wrote:
With the caveat that if the I5 guys kill a bunch of models, and the I4 SM's can not get into CC with their 3 inch pile in move, the combat ends and you determine assault results and any remaining initiative steps are lost.

No, both sides would have to fail pile-in for the initiative sequence to halt. In this case, that means both the space marines 3" and the kroot 3" would have to fail. There must be more than 6" total, as stated in the parenthetical, and if your result is different, you're doing it wrong.

Pyrian wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
With the caveat that if the I5 guys kill a bunch of models, and the I4 SM's can not get into CC with their 3 inch pile in move, the combat ends and you determine assault results and any remaining initiative steps are lost.

No, both sides would have to fail pile-in for the initiative sequence to halt. In this case, that means both the space marines 3" and the kroot 3" would have to fail. There must be more than 6" total, as stated in the parenthetical, and if your result is different, you're doing it wrong.

Re-read Page 23, it disagrees with you.

The parenthetical assumes both sides have models moving at the same initiative step.

In the example above it is assumed that the I5 models have already made pile in moves and attacks. If the I5 guys kill enough models that the I4 Space Marines can not make base contact with a 3 inch pile in move, then:

"the assault comes to an end. All remaining Initiative steps are lost - work out the assault result as described on page 26." (23)

Pyrian wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
With the caveat that if the I5 guys kill a bunch of models, and the I4 SM's can not get into CC with their 3 inch pile in move, the combat ends and you determine assault results and any remaining initiative steps are lost.

No, both sides would have to fail pile-in for the initiative sequence to halt. In this case, that means both the space marines 3" and the kroot 3" would have to fail. There must be more than 6" total, as stated in the parenthetical, and if your result is different, you're doing it wrong.

The I5 models have alreaqdy made their pile in, they cannot pile in again just becauser theyve killed everyone in base.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Re-read Page 23, it disagrees with you.

You claim that, yet it directly contradicts your position both in the rule and the aside.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The parenthetical assumes both sides have models moving at the same initiative step.

No, you're assuming that, and that assumption is why you're getting this rule wrong. The rule doesn't say anything about the same initiative step - the requirement is instead that both sides move, and the parenthetical dramatically confirms that. With both the rule itself and the parenthetical disagreeing directly with your position, I don't think you should read so much into context as to assume that the rule itself is somehow wrong about its own statements. Because that's all you've got for your "same initiative step" assumption: context. Context can be overridden, and in this case it is. You must satisfy the condition that both sides piling-in doesn't reach, or the effect is not triggered, because that's exactly what the rule says. It doesn't say you get to ignore models that aren't piling-in on the particular step you've reached.

 DeathReaper wrote:
"the assault comes to an end. All remaining Initiative steps are lost - work out the assault result as described on page 26." (23)

Y'know, when you drag out a partial quote that's conspicuously missing the part you're disagreeing about, I can't help but think you know you're wrong.

The I5 models have alreaqdy made their pile in, they cannot pile in again just becauser theyve killed everyone in base.

Those are the hounds, Nos. It's the Kroot that pile-in at I3.

Deathreaper is correct. That statement is assuming both side go at the same INI. If the Pile In Move of any given INI step cannot bring the combatants back into BTB. Then the combat ends.

Pyrian wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
The parenthetical assumes both sides have models moving at the same initiative step.

No, you're assuming that, and that assumption is why you're getting this rule wrong.

You might want to re-read that rule, specifically:

"When making Pile In moves, the player whose turn it is moves his unit(s) first. If both players' Pile In moves combined would be insufficient to bring any combatants back together (that's more than 6" - very unlikely!), the assault comes to an end. All remaining Initiative steps are lost - work out the assault result as described on page 26."

Notice how the parenthetical refers to the sentence "If both players' Pile In moves combined would be insufficient to bring any combatants back together"

Both players refers to When making Pile In moves, the player whose turn it is moves his unit(s) first.

As we know you only make a pile in move on your initiative, so the whole section assumes both players have models making pile in moves. Thus the section assumes both players have pile in moves to make. Thus it must be talking about a single given initiative step where both players are making pile in moves at a given initiative value.

Pyrian wrote:

The I5 models have alreaqdy made their pile in, they cannot pile in again just becauser theyve killed everyone in base.

Those are the hounds, Nos. It's the Kroot that pile-in at I3.

Only if the I4 models made it into base contact. If the I4 models did not make it, the assault comes to an end. All remaining Initiative steps are lost.