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Please note these aren't my opinions necessarily, just thought it was interesting and raised a few good points.


http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/23801.html



Rolling for Initiative is a weekly column by Scott Thorne, PhD, owner of Castle Perilous Games & Books in Carbondale, Illinois and instructor in marketing at Southeast Missouri State University. This week, Thorne looks at a couple of possible bad outcomes from recent successful Kickstarter campaigns.

Reaper's Kickstarter for their Bones line of miniatures looks like one of the most successful Kickstarters ever launched with over 17,000 backers pledging over $3.4 million (see "Reaper Kickstarter Raises $3.4 Million"). By my calculations, retailers who pledged $300 at the Undertaker level (that's 274 of us, in case you were counting) will get in excess of 400 miniatures. By my figures, that brings the cost per figure down to less than $1 a figure, making this a pretty good investment for those retailers who bought into the project.

While from a purely mercenary viewpoint, I am glad the project funded and look forward to getting boxes and boxes full of Bones, especially since the last time I checked, our suppliers were out of them. However, since Reaper set up the Bones Kickstarter to ramp up production of the Bones line, I doubt very much if we'll get any restock of the existing miniature line until the projected March release date. That means we miss the all-important Christmas season (on average, 40% of a retailers' sales occur during the last three months of the year) and Bones figures would have made great stocking stuffers. Oh well, I guess we will just have to sell customers pewter figures for Christmas.

I still have some concerns about Kickstarter. One is that more companies will look at the success of the Reaper campaign and last February's very successful drive by Giant in the Playground to reprint the Order of the Stick books and decide to rely on Kickstarter for funding as well. These two campaigns worked because they had products that people wanted (both Bones figures and the Order of the Stick books sell steadily) and the companies both added very nice incentives to their various levels and stretch goals, with GITP's incentives targeted towards the individual customer while Reaper's aimed at both customer and retailer. Each one had a number of levels, allowing funders quite a bit of flexibility in their investments, as well as encouraging funders to bump up pledges. Unless a company looking to fund through Kickstarter is willing to make the effort that these companies did and create excitement for their campaigns, they won't see the results that either company achieved. I fear we will see companies look at the results these two companies got, not look at the planning and execution they put into it, go ahead with a poorly planned Kickstarter campaign, and fail.

A second concern I have relates to what happened after Dungeons & Dragons 3.0 released under the OGL. The first OGL compatible books released after 3.0 hit the shelves sold like gangbusters. Seeing this, other companies rushed into the market with hundreds of books and modules. Some proved successful (Troll Lord, Mongoose and Paizo spring to mind) but dozens more did not and their poorly designed and received products glutted the market to the point where many customers (and retailers) avoided third party OGL products like the plague. This could easily happen with Kickstarter product campaigns as funders pledge to support a product that sounds really cool in concept, but when it arrives, it far underreaches expectations and soon, people avoid Kickstarter campaigns, only funding those companies with a proven track record, until the next cool concept comes along. I hope I am wrong but could see either of these outcomes easily occurring.


I have noted the surge in kickstarter/similar projects of late. I'm not quite sure it would qualify as a bubble as such, and given what happens when there is a bubble effect the inevitable "pop" can be quite nasty for those in at the wrong time, so I hope it isn't but is indicative of a long term trend.

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So neither of the concerns actually has anything to do with Reaper's kickstarter.

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If I'm reading this right, then stores might not be seeing existing product or a restock of the other stuff for quite some time.

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My question and I am surprised its not in this article would be, How much and how long of a drop in orders will result from the kick starter?

It has the effect of just about completely saturating the market. You can be sure that the second hand market for the mini's will be flooded. That whole pesky supply and demand thing coming into play should make it insanely affordable to the average joe.

Taking that into account I think that while it adds a huge short term influx I have a feeling it will unsettle the market for non-GW, WM/H ect for a while.

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You are correct.

NPR just did a story on the KS/ Indigogo... craze. and the results of if the project goes south.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/09/03/160505449/when-a-kickstarter-campaign-fails-does-anyone-get-their-money-back


On Reaper, and thier way in which they executed theier Kickstarter, this project of thiers seems to me that they had a two fold objective.

One was to fund the KS campaign and fund a few more changes to thier processing of the miniatures to the new material.

The second was to push these figures to the market and offset and counter the same sort of issues that happened when GW began with thier own version of " Finestuff".

This would then both raise public awarness that, even though Reaper had changed to the new material, nothing on the sculpts quality would be changing, and that the price for the minis was a great buy, and that customers can still have confidence in the product, even though it had changed.

The deal was there to be had with Reaper, though. My only concern is about the quality and long term durability of the larger figures, and thier sustainment later on in terms of material and in qualities of the paint jobs on the models after a year and longer after completion of building and painting the minis, seeing as this stuff seems to be a little softer plastic/ Vinyl.

From the responses on Youtube, there seem to be a general acceptance of the matieral, and the demonstrations from several different people have been generally consistant.

All in all, if anything to me about this KS, is that it has increased my opinion of Reaper as a company.

They have been top notch and shown a great deal of class in the way that they have handled both the Kickstarter project, and the change to the new material. With thier past performance as an example, I have great confidence that the follow through for thier project will have as high a standard as shown so far.



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 frozenwastes wrote:
So neither of the concerns actually has anything to do with Reaper's kickstarter.

Well, outside of using it as an example of what could go wrong...no?

The author makes good points though. Some of these companies have enough problems keeping retailers stocked, and now they're asking customers to help them...not keep the retailers stocked?
   
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Ill agree somewhat that the market is quickly on its way to critical mass. Ive already noticed many people saying "no more kickstarters for me until some stuff from the ones Ive already dome starts to arrive". Im there myself. My first was the Blackwater Gulch one months ago. No product yet, probably not for a few more weeks. Im currently in the Relic Knights and Dreamforge kickstarters. Those are my last for a while unless Blackwater Gulch does another later this year, then that will be my last.

I can see it as very possible that people burn out on them very soon. After all this is an instant gratification culture, and kickstarter is all about waiting. The novelty will likely wear off a bit soon.

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After the Kickstarter Reaper ordered a ton of all the Bones models that were already in production to have stock on hand, and to have them out of the way so production of the new bones models could occur as rapidly as the new molds became available.


   
 
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