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I was just thinking about how these would work now. I havent read anything as I dont have a copy of the IA with me (deployed). I was just wondering if units were still able to assault out of them with the new rules (6th). Could someone shed some light on this for me?

The only change is disembarkation distance and hull points.

It specifically says that you may assault out of it.

A lucius patern drop pod may only transport dreadnought but it has a special rule letting them assault out of it.

...and they havea chance of immobilisation, but thats it

I was just wondering because I play BA and was thinking about running a couple DC dread and/or Furioso's. The Tournement I am in allows IA so this is a good chance to capitalize on the funzies that be.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2update28AUG.pdf
This is the update for IA 2 which has the rules for the lucius drop pod

BA can't have Lucius Pattern Drop Pods though.

EDIT:

smUrfsrUs wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2update28AUG.pdf
This is the update for IA 2 which has the rules for the lucius drop pod

Those rules are out of date, the new ones are in IA:A 2nd Ed.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
BA can't have Lucius Pattern Drop Pods though.

EDIT:

smUrfsrUs wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2update28AUG.pdf
This is the update for IA 2 which has the rules for the lucius drop pod

Those rules are out of date, the new ones are in IA:A 2nd Ed.

Didn't know that, don't have any of the IA books yet. Is there much difference?

smUrfsrUs wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
BA can't have Lucius Pattern Drop Pods though.

EDIT:

smUrfsrUs wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2update28AUG.pdf
This is the update for IA 2 which has the rules for the lucius drop pod

Those rules are out of date, the new ones are in IA:A 2nd Ed.

Didn't know that, don't have any of the IA books yet. Is there much difference?

More expensive, takes up a FA slot, not available to BA and forces a dangerous terrain check if the Dreadnought charges.

That makes them alot worse, how badly did the deathstorm drop pods get nerfed?

Not *a lot* worse, they still let a dreadnought charge first turn, on a 1/6th chance to be immobilised.

Deathstorm are the ones that come packed with assault cannons or whirlwind launchers.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Not *a lot* worse, they still let a dreadnought charge first turn, on a 1/6th chance to be immobilised.

Disclaimer: I've not seen the rules for the pods

Ironclads have move through cover, and thus ignore dangerous terrain tests. Unless I'm missing something, they should be able to waltz out and crush something.

Since when were BA not able to have them. Last time I played in a tourny this guy held, I was able to use them with no issues. Also, never seen anything about them being possibly immobilized when charging out of them. Is this something new?

I tend to use Lucius Patterns quite a bit. It drops down, allows a Dread to assault, then just sits there. In a kill point game it doesn't function as well, but can work in other missions. I normally use an Ironclad in one, and tie up or kill of a unit. If you want to be really mean, take Bray'arth Ashmantle in one.

 vyndetta85 wrote:
Since when were BA not able to have them.

Roughly since Codex Blood Angels came out, it was in an update on the Forge World site.

 vyndetta85 wrote:
Also, never seen anything about them being possibly immobilized when charging out of them. Is this something new?

That's always been their official rules. It wasn't in their experimental rules.

 Nevelon wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Not *a lot* worse, they still let a dreadnought charge first turn, on a 1/6th chance to be immobilised.

Disclaimer: I've not seen the rules for the pods

Ironclads have move through cover, and thus ignore dangerous terrain tests. Unless I'm missing something, they should be able to waltz out and crush something.

Indeed they can do so, as I've pointed out to people since 6th began. The already obvious choice for a dreadnought (ironclad, AV13 is just that good now when grenades hit on WS) is just mae better, as it removes the one downside to the new rules

Darkness - wrong, Lucius pattern have been around for years, in print, and UNTIL IA:Apoc 2nd edition did not require Dangerous terrain tests, and were available to all armies

Ironclad+ dread pod is rather strong. Krak grenades cant touch you and its a vicious. So far its pretty much point one (or two of them) at the most important things turn 1 and your a step ahead. The survivors still have an AV 13 behemoth staring them down.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Not *a lot* worse, they still let a dreadnought charge first turn, on a 1/6th chance to be immobilised.

Disclaimer: I've not seen the rules for the pods

Ironclads have move through cover, and thus ignore dangerous terrain tests. Unless I'm missing something, they should be able to waltz out and crush something.

Indeed they can do so, as I've pointed out to people since 6th began. The already obvious choice for a dreadnought (ironclad, AV13 is just that good now when grenades hit on WS) is just mae better, as it removes the one downside to the new rules

Darkness - wrong, Lucius pattern have been around for years, in print, and UNTIL IA:Apoc 2nd edition did not require Dangerous terrain tests, and were available to all armies

He's right, it was like that in IA Apoc 2 (not second ed)

However it was also to cheap like that, so they fixed it (Nobody liked playing against Lucius before the risk/FA slot was added). And made it so the blendernoughts and DC blendernoughts couldn't enter them because they knew they'd be to good.

 lazarian wrote:
Ironclad+ dread pod is rather strong. Krak grenades cant touch you and its a vicious. So far its pretty much point one (or two of them) at the most important things turn 1 and your a step ahead. The survivors still have an AV 13 behemoth staring them down.

At least in 6th you have the option of falling back, so the Ironclad can't turn 1 charge and tarpit a good unit while it slowly punches them to death with no retaliation. In addition to random charge distances, Lucius pattern drop pods took quite a hit. You need to choose your target carefully, because if you don't mulch it in the one turn you'll be in combat, it's a wasted surprise attack. You need to be lucky on the deep strike roll, and lucky on the charge roll.

It's still a nasty surprise, but enough changed in 6th edition to take a lot of the sting out.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:


He's right, it was like that in IA Apoc 2 (not second ed)

However it was also to cheap like that, so they fixed it (Nobody liked playing against Lucius before the risk/FA slot was added). And made it so the blendernoughts and DC blendernoughts couldn't enter them because they knew they'd be to good.

Page 31 for IA Apoc II shows it did not give dangerous terrain tests if you assaulted out of it. Just checked it.

They added 3 items to it - increase in poiints cost, FA slot and restriction on chapter in IA Apoc 2nd edition.

You also dont need to be that lucky on the DS roll. You drop another pod or two first, and drop this in the middle. IG does the rest.

 -Loki- wrote:

 lazarian wrote:
Ironclad+ dread pod is rather strong. Krak grenades cant touch you and its a vicious. So far its pretty much point one (or two of them) at the most important things turn 1 and your a step ahead. The survivors still have an AV 13 behemoth staring them down.

At least in 6th you have the option of falling back, so the Ironclad can't turn 1 charge and tarpit a good unit while it slowly punches them to death with no retaliation. In addition to random charge distances, Lucius pattern drop pods took quite a hit. You need to choose your target carefully, because if you don't mulch it in the one turn you'll be in combat, it's a wasted surprise attack. You need to be lucky on the deep strike roll, and lucky on the charge roll.

It's still a nasty surprise, but enough changed in 6th edition to take a lot of the sting out.

On the other hand, you get a 6" disembark, plus your base. You'd have to scatter pretty badly to fail.

With the disembark rules its very unlikely you will ever miss a charge with this guy. Ironclads have move through cover and the disembark length makes it solid. Furthermore if you playing a drop assault army where your taking 5 or 7 pods hes not the only guy coming down to discuss the morning news.

 vyndetta85 wrote:
Since when were BA not able to have them. Last time I played in a tourny this guy held, I was able to use them with no issues. Also, never seen anything about them being possibly immobilized when charging out of them. Is this something new?

How long ago was this tournament?

Just be be clear: BA may not take them. Only the Codecies that are listed on the Lucious Pattern Drop Pod may take them. The most recent entry does NOT allow BA to take them.

The most recent LPDP entry is in Imperial Armor Apocalypse, Second edition. Points and all of the relevant special rules are listed there.