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Can a template only wound models under the template? For example, my flamers of Tz. flame some hellions. I hit 23 time, but did not touch 3 models in doing so. (out of range). I wound 15 times. Does he remove the 3 models that werent tocuhed by the templates? Or is it still removed closest to closest.

Closest.
The only exception to this is barrage weapon which wound and kill from their center.

 xSoulgrinderx wrote:
Can a template only wound models under the template? For example, my flamers of Tz. flame some hellions. I hit 23 time, but did not touch 3 models in doing so. (out of range). I wound 15 times. Does he remove the 3 models that werent tocuhed by the templates? Or is it still removed closest to closest.

A template wounds just like a normal shooting attack. The template only determines the number of hits generated. If you generated 15 wounds then he would make 15 saves. Those wounds would be allocated as normal. IF that was enough to kill the 3 that were not under the Template then they would die.

Being out of range from the template does not stop wounds from being allocated to you.

Nothings different with templates or blasts(barrage blast weapons have an exception that you remove from the center of the blast)

Its entirely possable to kill models not under the template.

For example, if Scarabs get hosed by a heavy incinerator. Each unsaved wound is actually 2 wounds because they are Vulnerable to Blasts, and then the wounds also cause instant death because of Str6 vs T3. So each hit and wound on the unit will kill 2 bases. So if a 10 Scarab unit is hit 5 times by the weapon it will actually be 10 hits, and if all wound it will remove 10 bases. So 5 hits can kill all 10 bases.

I agree with "Its entirely possable to kill models not under the template." but the example you gave is not valid in 6th.

As opposed to 5th edition, now the extra wound is allocated to the same scarab base. So even if the wound got doubled, only one base will die.

? I dont think thats how it works, if it would inflict ID, then one wound would kill one base.

The allocation system changed signoficantly since 5th. One of the less obvious changes is that in this case both wounds should be allocated to the same base regardless ID.

copper.talos wrote:
I agree with "Its entirely possable to kill models not under the template." but the example you gave is not valid in 6th.

As opposed to 5th edition, now the extra wound is allocated to the same scarab base. So even if the wound got doubled, only one base will die.

Not true. Assuming a unit of only scarabs.

Take Saving Throws
First of all, the target unit gets to make one saving throw, if it has one (see page 16), for each Wound being resolved. Make a note of how many unsaved Wounds have been caused.

Appropriate saves are made, anything left is doubled.

Allocate Unsaved Wounds & Remove Casualties
Next, allocate an unsaved Wound to the enemy model closest to the firing unit. Reduce that model's Wounds by 1. If the model is reduced to 0Wounds, remove it as a casualty. Continue allocating unsaved Wounds to the closest model until there are no more Wounds left, or the whole unit has been removed as casualties.

If a model suffers an unsaved Wound from an Attack that has a Strength value of double its Toughness value orgreater (after modifiers), it is reduced to 0 Wounds and removed as a casualty.

ID wounds remove the models as a casualty, so you can only allocate one wound to it.

So where do you base your objection?

copper.talos wrote:
So where do you base your objection?

I just lined it out.

2 Scarabs in a unit of 5 get hit by a Str6 AP3 template.
AP ignores the armor save.
2 wounds is doubled to 4.
First scarab is allocated a wound.
The wound ID's the scarab.
The second scarab is allocated a wound.
Repeat until there are no wounds left. There will be one scarab base left.

Did you even read the swarm special rule? The doubling of the wounds comes after the unsaved wound was suffered.

Let's say you have a wound pool of five wounds. You take one out and you are left with four. You allocate that wound to a scarab base. Then the wound is doubled. The extra wound doesn't go back to the wound pool. The wound pool is calculated only once and it happens before allocation.

Oh, thank god. I thought that was one of the stupidest things in 5th edition.

copper.talos wrote:
Did you even read the swarm special rule? The doubling of the wounds comes after the unsaved wound was suffered.

I see your argument - I think it's ripe for an FAQ.
The issue - to me - is that the doubling happens when the Swarm suffers an unsaved wound, and then it's doubled. Is "the Swarm" referring to the model with the Swarm SR or the unit of models with the Swarm SR?

Current RAW though I think you're right.

It could certainly use a faq. Even if for no other reason but just to clear things up to those used to the 5th mentality. As I said before, it's one of the less obvious changes and one can easily be mistaken.

copper.talos wrote:
Did you even read the swarm special rule? The doubling of the wounds comes after the unsaved wound was suffered.

You double the number of unsaved wounds, yes. But then in a unit of identical saves, it's only unsaved wounds that are allocated (p15). Oddly, in a unit with mixed saves, you'd only apply the doubling after allocating the wound.

So, assuming the swarm is in the open with identical saves, you:
1. Roll to hit.
2. Roll to wound.
3. Roll saves.
4. Double the number of unsaved wounds.
5. Allocate the unsaved wounds to models. Each of these would then cause instant death, if applicable.

You're right in that a unit with mixed saves would allocate the first unsaved wound before rolling to save it; if failed, it then doubles, and then causes instant death if applicable. Then you apply the second unsaved wound, double it if it fails, etc. So, depending on the situation, both answers are right.

And thoroughly unnecessarily complicated.

 Cheexsta wrote:
4. Double the number of unsaved wounds.
5. Allocate the unsaved wounds to models. Each of these would then cause instant death, if applicable.

Not really - the wounds aren't doubled until after it's allocated.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Cheexsta wrote:
4. Double the number of unsaved wounds.
5. Allocate the unsaved wounds to models. Each of these would then cause instant death, if applicable.

Not really - the wounds aren't doubled until after it's allocated.

Hmm, actually I think you're right. The rule says "if a Swarm suffers an unsaved wound" - I initially read this as referring to a unit containing a Swarm, but it makes more sense that it would only apply after being allocated to a model with the Swarm rule. I take back my previous argument

 Cheexsta wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 Cheexsta wrote:
4. Double the number of unsaved wounds.
5. Allocate the unsaved wounds to models. Each of these would then cause instant death, if applicable.

Not really - the wounds aren't doubled until after it's allocated.

Hmm, actually I think you're right. The rule says "if a Swarm suffers an unsaved wound" - I initially read this as referring to a unit containing a Swarm, but it makes more sense that it would only apply after being allocated to a model with the Swarm rule. I take back my previous argument

Exactly how my brain read it.
I'm not sure that's how it's intended, but that's the RAW.