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So gw did a big faq update for the rules and different armies and it seems that the leman russ got rid of lumbering behemoth and now is treated as a heavy vehicle. So now because of the ordanance rules it seems pointless to take sponsons for the battle tanks.

So what are you proposing?

Oh yea sorry, but anyways it doesnt seem right because no ones gunna waste points to have weapons to only snap fire. Sucks for me as 2 of my 5 battle tanks have sponsons. So with this said i was wondering what peoples thoughts on this update were? Good call, bad call? I know you could choose not to fire your ordanance weapon as well but it doesnt seem like the battle tank will be putting out loads of fire power as used to be.

So again, what rules are you proposing?

This is the proposed rules section. IE; rules that you may make up, not rules that GW has changed, updated, etc.

On a side note, seems like the plasma tank still works fine ^^

Im still going to park my battle canon russ at the back and only take the bare minimum upgrades :/

I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

The enemy fields zero terminators.

I would have thought the leman russ would get some kind of rule like power of the machine spirit to make better use of all the weapons its able to have. But maybe allow it to fire ordnance and one other weapon at normal bs.

Buttons wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

The enemy fields zero terminators.

Well it's still 9 str7 ap2 shots plus whatever else you fire. And against hoard armies or tactical armies it's devastating. Well it is when you hit.

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:

Buttons wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

The enemy fields zero terminators.

Well it's still 9 str7 ap2 shots plus whatever else you fire. And against hoard armies or tactical armies it's devastating. Well it is when you hit.

It also cannot reliably deal with AV 14 like Monoliths, Battlewagons, other Leman Russes, and of course, Land Raiders (and any number of superheavies, but if you let your enemy bring one outside of an apocalypse game and didn't prepare for it, you deserve to get blasted to hell and breakfast). Your squadron is devastating against most targets, granted; but heavy vehicles will screw it over and screw it over hard. And because you spent so many of your points outfitting this one squad, you have that much less to prevent say; a blood angels land raider crusader from vomiting out a death company blob in your face. That being said, it's still a very versatile loadout, it's just a tad pricey and has notable issues with AV14.

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:

Buttons wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

The enemy fields zero terminators.

Well it's still 9 str7 ap2 shots plus whatever else you fire. And against hoard armies or tactical armies it's devastating. Well it is when you hit.

You are spending about 230 points to kill a few Orks. It is inefficient, just use a LRBT.

Theres a thread in tactics where were discussing this. Everyones leaning towards Exterminators with HBs or Multi Meltas.

seanm222 wrote:
Theres a thread in tactics where were discussing this. Everyones leaning towards Exterminators with HBs or Multi Meltas.

Well damn. I've been playing Exterminators and Vanquishers only, since 5e IG came out.
Bandwagons...

 Kain wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:

Buttons wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

The enemy fields zero terminators.

Well it's still 9 str7 ap2 shots plus whatever else you fire. And against hoard armies or tactical armies it's devastating. Well it is when you hit.

It also cannot reliably deal with AV 14 like Monoliths, Battlewagons, other Leman Russes, and of course, Land Raiders (and any number of superheavies, but if you let your enemy bring one outside of an apocalypse game and didn't prepare for it, you deserve to get blasted to hell and breakfast). Your squadron is devastating against most targets, granted; but heavy vehicles will screw it over and screw it over hard. And because you spent so many of your points outfitting this one squad, you have that much less to prevent say; a blood angels land raider crusader from vomiting out a death company blob in your face. That being said, it's still a very versatile loadout, it's just a tad pricey and has notable issues with AV14.

It's a rather fun unit to use and hull lascannons with sponson multi-meltas + whatever else your army is equipped with AV14 becomes less of a threat especially with meltavets.
Also with the right balance between over-priced squadrons and lascannon hws squads few things can trump you. Apart from possibly 2000 points of plain ork boys 48" away from you.
But yes they have a large weakness as you pointed out.

And I don't play many competitive games, it's usually me and a couple of friends just slaughtering each other namely the nid player.

One day I'm going to post my army to get judged by dakkadakka.

Sir Bushwookie


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Buttons wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:

Buttons wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

The enemy fields zero terminators.

Well it's still 9 str7 ap2 shots plus whatever else you fire. And against hoard armies or tactical armies it's devastating. Well it is when you hit.

You are spending about 230 points to kill a few Orks. It is inefficient, just use a LRBT.

Depends on what you're fighting, as long as it's not AV14 it'll die.
Terminators for instance +2 save, Plasma cannon AP2 so no save there although according to the dark vengeance rule book they get a +5 invulnerable save.
The only weakness is vehicles (and deep-striking units) but with the remaining points you can use units designed to counter the weakness of the executioner.

(Wow 4 edits to stop it repeating itself)

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong.

6 Storm Talons for less.

7 predators with 2 Lascannons and autocannons for the same price.


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At 1k I'm taking more than enough to take that out in two turns, at 2.5k I'll take it out in one turn, easy stuff. 3 lascannons will not be enough to deal with a swarm of AV13 and fliers, it never will be - even if infantry are getting their comeback

Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong?

6 Storm Talons for less.
7 predators with 2 Lascannons and autocannons for the same price.


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At 1k I'm taking more than enough to take that out in two turns, at 2.5k I'll take it out in one turn, easy stuff. 3 lascannons will not be enough to deal with a swarm of AV13 and fliers, it never will be - even if infantry are getting their comeback

That's why I put "what could possibly go wrong?".
Also if they're AV13 15 shots on turn 1 supposing I start lets say 5 hit, plasma is str7 so I could glance a couple to death(over a couple of turns of course). Coupled with cover and infantry it would take slightly longer then turn 2 , unless the board was empty that is.
Also by taking 7 predators in a 1k game that would have a rather large blow to your ability to capture objectives would it not?
And I doubt a sane player would take 6 storm talons or 7 preds. Unless it was 2.5k and at that points limit vendettas come to mind.
I see the executioner as a rather over-priced tank taken for a laugh or to annoy tyranid players. If you haven't already guessed I'm a casual player. (Solely because my painting is atrocious)
Note: More then one executioner in a 1k point game is a rather bad move.

In spite of nothing being suggested...

On the plus side the non-ordinance turrets got a massive buff. Now we can fire everything at full BS. Even the ordinance turrets got a slight buff, now they can fire everything if they take sponsons (all be it at BS 1). But hey it doesn't stop you from mowing droves of infantry with 3 heavy bolters when your main gun gets destroyed. lets not overlook the now very evil option of the punisher with multi meltas and/or a lascannon. Or go full anitinfantry with a Punisher , a pintle hvy stubber and 3 heavy bolters (32 shots per turn per russ).

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:

Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong?

6 Storm Talons for less.
7 predators with 2 Lascannons and autocannons for the same price.


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At 1k I'm taking more than enough to take that out in two turns, at 2.5k I'll take it out in one turn, easy stuff. 3 lascannons will not be enough to deal with a swarm of AV13 and fliers, it never will be - even if infantry are getting their comeback

That's why I put "what could possibly go wrong?".
Also if they're AV13 15 shots on turn 1 supposing I start lets say 5 hit, plasma is str7 so I could glance a couple to death(over a couple of turns of course). Coupled with cover and infantry it would take slightly longer then turn 2 , unless the board was empty that is.
Also by taking 7 predators in a 1k game that would have a rather large blow to your ability to capture objectives would it not?
And I doubt a sane player would take 6 storm talons or 7 preds. Unless it was 2.5k and at that points limit vendettas come to mind.
I see the executioner as a rather over-priced tank taken for a laugh or to annoy tyranid players. If you haven't already guessed I'm a casual player. (Solely because my painting is atrocious)
Note: More then one executioner in a 1k point game is a rather bad move.

Mate, at 750 points I'll take 3 predators. The unit you suggested couldn't be taken at 1k.

Objectives don't matter until the last turn. There's no point in clinging to them from turn one.


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At 2.5 k I'm taking four troop choices and about 15 tanks - not to mention assault terminators. Sure, vendettas exist, but vendettas die as easily as other fliers. What you suggested could be pinged in less than a turn, two if I'm unlucky. It is a bad option and it's overpaid for.


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You're talking three LEman russ that cost more than three land raiders but are less survivable.

Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:

Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:
I have a cure for the loss of lumbering behemoth:

Executioner tanks with las-cannon and plasma cannon sponsons it's only 285 points per tank without other upgrades.

855 points for a squadron of 3, what could possibly go wrong?

6 Storm Talons for less.
7 predators with 2 Lascannons and autocannons for the same price.


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At 1k I'm taking more than enough to take that out in two turns, at 2.5k I'll take it out in one turn, easy stuff. 3 lascannons will not be enough to deal with a swarm of AV13 and fliers, it never will be - even if infantry are getting their comeback

That's why I put "what could possibly go wrong?".
Also if they're AV13 15 shots on turn 1 supposing I start lets say 5 hit, plasma is str7 so I could glance a couple to death(over a couple of turns of course). Coupled with cover and infantry it would take slightly longer then turn 2 , unless the board was empty that is.
Also by taking 7 predators in a 1k game that would have a rather large blow to your ability to capture objectives would it not?
And I doubt a sane player would take 6 storm talons or 7 preds. Unless it was 2.5k and at that points limit vendettas come to mind.
I see the executioner as a rather over-priced tank taken for a laugh or to annoy tyranid players. If you haven't already guessed I'm a casual player. (Solely because my painting is atrocious)
Note: More then one executioner in a 1k point game is a rather bad move.

Mate, at 750 points I'll take 3 predators. The unit you suggested couldn't be taken at 1k.

Objectives don't matter until the last turn. There's no point in clinging to them from turn one.


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At 2.5 k I'm taking four troop choices and about 15 tanks - not to mention assault terminators. Sure, vendettas exist, but vendettas die as easily as other fliers. What you suggested could be pinged in less than a turn, two if I'm unlucky. It is a bad option and it's overpaid for.


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You're talking three LEman russ that cost more than three land raiders but are less survivable.

That does confuse me why 3 plasma tanks cost more then 3 land raiders.
Hmmm 1000 points Melta Spam!

melta spammity spam spam list:

CCS with 2 snipers and regimental standard-75 points-HQ

PCS- 30 points
Infantry squad x 5 with melta each - 300 points-troops choice

PCS - 30 points
Infantry squad x 5 with melta each - 300 points-troops choice

2 x vet squad with 3x melta each - 200 points

Marbo-65 points (depending on if I can take him by himself)
That should add up to 1000 points

OR

CCS with 4 snipers - 70 points-HQ

PCS-30 points
x2 Infantry squad - 100 points
x5HWS with lascannons - 525 (wow 15 lascannons for that much , oh well str 9 vs AV 13=4+ pen)

PCS-30 points
x2 infantry squad - 100 points
x2 SWS with 3x melta each - 130 points

With 15 points for upgrades

See were I'm going with this.

Any way I'm going quite off topic so lets let this die with Executioners are fun but quite over priced and that the other Russ variants are better (excluding Vanquisher).
So good night and have fun.

Sir Bushwookie

 Sir Bushwookie wrote:

That does confuse me why 3 plasma tanks cost more then 3 land raiders.

Sir Bushwookie

Because you're taking too many upgrades. Landraiders are decent left skinbare. I think Leman russi are too.

Though, I'd run valkyries and vendettas all the way. feth da 2ky.

I think it is work looking at the LR demolisher in 6th ed. especially now with the roll 2d6 for armor penetration and take the highest dice, yes the 24 inch is limited but i've found that most of the targets i am dealing with usually fall within 30 inches of my tanks and anything further can be dealt with pask in a vanq and its wonderful 72 inch melta gun

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