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The general attitude on YMDC is that these two are separate things and that an emplaced gun cannot auto fire at BS2.

The new FAQ seems to hint at the opposite now that it says that an Gun Emplacement can be destroyed as per the damage result table for the building, which only mentions Emplaced Weapons.

So what is the YMDC take on this. Are we now to consider the two things the same, with the only difference being that Gun Emplacements have a profile and are targetable?

Q: Can you shoot at a gun emplacement on a Bastion’s roof?
(p116)
A: Yes – see page 105 for a gun emplacement’s profile. It can
also be destroyed by certain results on the Building Damage
Table.

And looking at that table:

4 [...] In addition, One randomly determined emplaced weapon is destroyed, if the building has any.
5 [...] In addition, One randomly determined emplaced weapon is destroyed, if the building has any.
6 [...] All emplaced weapons in the building are destroyed.
7 [...] All emplaced weapons in the building are destroyed.

This does seem that the FAQ is saying, although not even close to clearly, that when Emplaced Weapons are mentioned, Gun Emplacements are implied aswell.

I do not take it as Gun Emplacements and Emplaced Weapons are the same thing. They are still very seperate in the rules for firing and targeting. So much that they had to change the FAQ for Nids to say we can not manually fire either Emplaced Weapons OR Gun Emplacements.

I think that they were trying to say (badly) is that if the building is destroyed all Gun Emplacements on that building are destroyed as well. We had argued for a while if they were destroyed or if they could "jump down" just like other models on the battlements of a destroyed building.

 Gloomfang wrote:
I do not take it as Gun Emplacements and Emplaced Weapons are the same thing. They are still very seperate in the rules for firing and targeting. So much that they had to change the FAQ for Nids to say we can not manually fire either Emplaced Weapons OR Gun Emplacements.

I think that they were trying to say (badly) is that if the building is destroyed all Gun Emplacements on that building are destroyed as well. We had argued for a while if they were destroyed or if they could "jump down" just like other models on the battlements of a destroyed building.

Yeah, that's the discussion I'm bringing to a new light here. Do you think what they meant by their FAQ was that it could be destroyed if it fell? That seems to be grasping for straws to me. I feel like thye've muddied the waters even more in the distinction between the two here.

The BRB says "emplaced weapons" because not everything is a "gun"
You have quad guns, heavy Bolters, missle launchers and lascannons.

Yes, gun emplacements are emplaced weapons.

 Purifier wrote:
Yeah, that's the discussion I'm bringing to a new light here. Do you think what they meant by their FAQ was that it could be destroyed if it fell? That seems to be grasping for straws to me. I feel like thye've muddied the waters even more in the distinction between the two here.

I am going to have to eat some crow here and say I think that the FAQ was (badly) trying to say that a Gun Emplacement is considered part of the building. That means that they would have to be deploied together and if the building is destroyed the Gun Emplacement (as part of the building) is destroyed as well.


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40k-noob wrote:
The BRB says "emplaced weapons" because not everything is a "gun"
You have quad guns, heavy Bolters, missle launchers and lascannons.

Yes, gun emplacements are emplaced weapons.

No they are not. The rules for firing them and targeting them are diffrent. If all Gun Emplacements were Weapon Emplacements you could fire them from inside the building and they could auto-fire. They also could not be targeted.

Quad gun and ICL are Gun Emplacements.
Fragstorm, HB, and TL ILC are Emplaced Weapons.

This FAQ changes none of that.

Or they could be talking about how certain damage results (3, 4,6,7) cause damage to models on battlements or how results 6 and 7 forces unit to disembark and unit cannot disembark, it is removed as casualty.

There are multiple reasons why Gun Emplacement could be destroyed by results on building damage table, even without making 'Gun Emplacements' be 'Emplaced Weapons'.

Note that if 'Gun Emplacements' were 'Emplaced Weapons' it would cause huge, huge rules contradictions, starting from how emplaced weapons are built-in to buildings (page 96) so how would you handle Quad Qun in ADL? ADL is not a building...

 Purifier wrote:
The general attitude on YMDC is that these two are separate things and that an emplaced gun cannot auto fire at BS2.

The new FAQ seems to hint at the opposite now that it says that an Gun Emplacement can be destroyed as per the damage result table for the building, which only mentions Emplaced Weapons.

So what is the YMDC take on this. Are we now to consider the two things the same, with the only difference being that Gun Emplacements have a profile and are targetable?

Q: Can you shoot at a gun emplacement on a Bastion’s roof?
(p116)
A: Yes – see page 105 for a gun emplacement’s profile. It can
also be destroyed by certain results on the Building Damage
Table.

And looking at that table:

4 [...] In addition, One randomly determined emplaced weapon is destroyed, if the building has any.
5 [...] In addition, One randomly determined emplaced weapon is destroyed, if the building has any.
6 [...] All emplaced weapons in the building are destroyed.
7 [...] All emplaced weapons in the building are destroyed.

This does seem that the FAQ is saying, although not even close to clearly, that when Emplaced Weapons are mentioned, Gun Emplacements are implied aswell.

the FAQ is saying exactly the opposite of what you think it is saying.

It is clarifying beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Gun emplacement on top of the bastion is not part of the bastion and thus separately target-able.

Then it also reminds you that certain results on the Building Damage table will also harm models on the battlements; and full collapse/detonation will both cause significant damage.

Then, of course, you have the very next Q&A again informing you that you use the gun emplacement rules for manual firing a gun emplacement on the battlements not the Emplaced weapon rules(must be in B2B); if it were an emplaced weapon then all models on the battlements would be allowed to fire it(1/shooting phase still); not just those in B2B.