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Longtime Dakkanaut





So I gather there isnt a definative list of 40k approved units, whats the general run down, are IA books 40k approved? I will be running Dark Angels in a tourny soon and would like another option or two seeing as they dont have that much, and I do need some anti air.

Is it only Aeronacticia I should be looking at, as I have seen the 40k approved in there but cant remember seeing it many other places?, doesnt help my with anything but flyers really

40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final 
   
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IA:Aeronautica, IA:Apocalypse (second edition), IA:Apocalypse II and all FW pdf updates have a note in the front of the book stating that they are 100% official and (other than the specifically labeled Apocalypse-only stuff like superheavies) intended for use in standard games of 40k.

Previous books are "official" in that they are a GW product and perfectly compatible with standard 40k, but it is not made explicit to the point that there can be no further dispute.

However, tournaments are an entirely separate issue. Any individual tournament organizer can choose to allow or deny anything they want (including IA units, armies with "too many" transports, allies/fortifications/double FOC, etc), so the only way to find out of a unit is allowed is to ask the person running that specific tournament.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Cheapest anti-air option that should not pose any problems in any tournament is the Aegis Defense Line with a quad gun.

That being said if you want some heavy dedicated anti-air and the TO accepts FW.

The firing platforms in Aeronautica are a bargain. They can be made into a squadron which means they only take up a single FOC slot. Low BS they have a re-roll to hit. If you have the command platform, your second launcher can split fire like long fangs.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Support/SPACE-MARINE-AIR-DEFENCE-LAUNCHER.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Support/SPACE-MARINE-AIR-DEFENCE-COMMAND-PLATFORM.html
   
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Do your local stores/clubs allow Forge World in their tournaments? I'd start by asking that.

Only some of the most recent books have begun putting the 40K and Apocalypse stamps on the unit entries. I think it started with Imperial Armor Apocalypse, Second Edition.

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 Erik_Morkai wrote:
Cheapest anti-air option that should not pose any problems in any tournament is the Aegis Defense Line with a quad gun.

That being said if you want some heavy dedicated anti-air and the TO accepts FW.

The firing platforms in Aeronautica are a bargain. They can be made into a squadron which means they only take up a single FOC slot. Low BS they have a re-roll to hit. If you have the command platform, your second launcher can split fire like long fangs.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Support/SPACE-MARINE-AIR-DEFENCE-LAUNCHER.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Support/SPACE-MARINE-AIR-DEFENCE-COMMAND-PLATFORM.html


Bought a set of 3 hyperios launchers this morning, and yes this tourny and quite a few allow 40k approved units hence why I asked if there is a definative list

40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final 
   
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I'll just forgo the "Is FW legal?" debate and assume it is (you shouldn't though):

1) A lot of older books also tell you that some units can be used as <FOC slot> in <army>, which pretty much means that the entry is intended for regular games of 40k.
2) However, even though some entries have the 40k stamp, you cannot field them in a regular game of Warhammer 40k unless you know (explicit or implicit) in what FOC slot they go.
3) Last, but not least, some of the stamped entries can only be used in FW army lists, like the dread mob, eldar corsairs or elysians, but not in the corresponding GW codex army. You can usually ally those armies though.

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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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Wasnt aware I asked is FW legal, just is there a complete list of 40k approved units yet, would make my life a bit easier!

The tournys have 40k approved units are allowed, using older non 40k approved makes the above statement moot so I doubt they will be allowed.

It says at the bottom of the unit entry which codex it can be used with usualyl doesnt it?

If I do use any other FW unit 40k approved or not I will buy the correct book for the rules

40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final 
   
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk






MarkyMark wrote:
Wasnt aware I asked is FW legal, just is there a complete list of 40k approved units yet, would make my life a bit easier!

The tournys have 40k approved units are allowed, using older non 40k approved makes the above statement moot so I doubt they will be allowed.

Sadly there is no complete list. I could provide you with one for orks, if that's what you're looking for, since I made one some time ago. From your blog, I'm guessing that you're looking for marine stuff though, I'm completely clueless about that.

It says at the bottom of the unit entry which codex it can be used with usualyl doesnt it?

Sometimes. Sometimes at the top of the unit entry. Sometimes hidden in some special rule. Sometimes you can guess the FOC from another unit entry. Sometimes it doesn't say anything at all.

If I do use any other FW unit 40k approved or not I will buy the correct book for the rules

FW keeps screen shots of their book's table of contents on their homepage, you could check those for any units you want.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






MarkyMark wrote:
Wasnt aware I asked is FW legal, just is there a complete list of 40k approved units yet, would make my life a bit easier!


Unfortunately there's no convenient master list. As a general rule, every unit in IA11, IA:Aeronautica, IA: Apocalypse (second edition), and all of the online pdf updates falls into one of two categories:

1) Apocalypse-only. This contains ONLY the superheavies, gargantuan creatures, formations, etc that are not compatible with standard 40k.

2) 40k-approved. This is everything else in the book.

So unless it's an obvious Apocalypse unit everything, if it's listed in the table of contents for one of those books it's 40k-approved. And, if you're asking about "designed for 40k", not just units which explicitly have the new stamp, any unit that isn't obviously Apocalypse-only is intended for use in 40k and has been for years. The only reason they don't have the new stamp is that the book was published before it was introduced, the unit in question will still clearly note that it's an X FOC choice for Y army.

It says at the bottom of the unit entry which codex it can be used with usualyl doesnt it?


Yes. All "modern" 40k books have a clear statement of which codex may take a unit, and which FOC it occupies. It will say something like "A squadron of 1-3 Leman Russ OMGKILLYOUs is a Troops choice in a Codex: Imperial Guard or Elysian Drop Troops army."

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





One of the guys over at warhammer forum has taken the time to compile a list of 40k approved units for each codex and where the rules are found

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VsFRrZtHE2bmFiSmxpeGJSb0E/edit?pli=1

40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final 
   
Made in de
Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk






Just glancing at the ork section shows that he arbitrarily made up the FOC for some of the units.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
 
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