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2012/09/12 08:39:32
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Tower of Power
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Just had a thought last night, the rulebook says that measurements are done base to base. What happens when you say have a jetbike or something like a Screamer which the model is bigger than the base? Do you still do measurements from the base or is there some where in the rulebook which says at the model?
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2012/09/12 08:50:20
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Measure from the hull, like you would a tank.
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2012/09/12 08:59:14
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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SkyD wrote:Measure from the hull, like you would a tank.
Not sure what a "Screamer" is, but jetbikes don't have hulls. You measure from the base.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/09/12 09:14:11
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Making Stuff
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Yup, non-vehicle models always measure from the base.
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2012/09/12 09:27:56
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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lol so a the ravenwing jet bike need to measure to the base, strange but reasonable because you need to make into base to base contact to assualt not the model.
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2012/09/12 10:35:45
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Tower of Power
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Ok, the base is cool. Double checking as this is very important for deep strike.
So for example, the Screamer model is about 1" bigger than the base. If I deep strike and the model is within 1" of a enemy unit, but the base isn't, does this count as a deep strike mishap?
I guess not, as distances are measured base to base.
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2012/09/12 11:18:57
Subject: models bigger than base?
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 mercer wrote:I guess not, as distances are measured base to base.
You guess correctly.
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2012/09/12 11:25:40
Subject: Re:models bigger than base?
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Sinewy Scourge
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What about seeker chariots? They are vehicles bigger than their base.
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2012/09/12 11:45:45
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Strictly speaking the base of the Seeker Chariot is ignored, as only walkers, and in a limited capacity skimmers and flyers, have rules for measuring to a base they are mounted on.
Of course I don't know exactly what would constitute hull on that thing, it seems like most of it is decorative elements(in the vein of Dozer Blades), definitely one to discuss pre game with your opponent.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/09/12 11:46:39
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2012/09/12 18:28:10
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Dozer blades aren't decorative anymore, they are counted as part of the hull for measuring distances and LOS to the vehicle, but not for measuring range to the vehicle...
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2012/09/12 20:54:27
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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 Kevin949 wrote:Dozer blades aren't decorative anymore, they are counted as part of the hull for measuring distances and LOS to the vehicle, but not for measuring range to the vehicle...
What is the difference between measuring distances and measuring range in this sentence?
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2012/09/12 21:00:31
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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 Drunkspleen wrote:Strictly speaking the base of the Seeker Chariot is ignored, as only walkers, and in a limited capacity skimmers and flyers, have rules for measuring to a base they are mounted on. Of course I don't know exactly what would constitute hull on that thing, it seems like most of it is decorative elements(in the vein of Dozer Blades), definitely one to discuss pre game with your opponent.
Seeker Chariots have no hull; they are not vehicles, therefore you measure to the base.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/09/12 21:00:52
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/09/12 21:03:59
Subject: models bigger than base?
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The Hive Mind
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 Lordhat wrote: Drunkspleen wrote:Strictly speaking the base of the Seeker Chariot is ignored, as only walkers, and in a limited capacity skimmers and flyers, have rules for measuring to a base they are mounted on.
Of course I don't know exactly what would constitute hull on that thing, it seems like most of it is decorative elements(in the vein of Dozer Blades), definitely one to discuss pre game with your opponent.
Seeker Chariots have no hull; they are not vehicles, therefore you measure to the base.
Seeker Chariots are Chariots right?
... Chariots are vehicles...
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2012/09/12 21:09:12
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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rigeld2 wrote: Lordhat wrote: Drunkspleen wrote:Strictly speaking the base of the Seeker Chariot is ignored, as only walkers, and in a limited capacity skimmers and flyers, have rules for measuring to a base they are mounted on.
Of course I don't know exactly what would constitute hull on that thing, it seems like most of it is decorative elements(in the vein of Dozer Blades), definitely one to discuss pre game with your opponent.
Seeker Chariots have no hull; they are not vehicles, therefore you measure to the base.
Seeker Chariots are Chariots right?
... Chariots are vehicles...
My bad, looked in the BGB; The only Daemon vehicle I saw was the Soulgrinder; Didn't realize Seeker Chariots were a new unit as well as a new model. (Thought they might've been a new model for an existing unit.)
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/09/12 21:44:07
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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 Purifier wrote: Kevin949 wrote:Dozer blades aren't decorative anymore, they are counted as part of the hull for measuring distances and LOS to the vehicle, but not for measuring range to the vehicle...
What is the difference between measuring distances and measuring range in this sentence?
Sorry, I meant that it counted as being able to see the vehicle for LOS purposes but you can't draw range to fire on it if all you can see is the dozer blade.
All things said and done, dozer blades and other vehicle upgrades are now considered part of the hull. But you can't use them to determine you're firing on them. According to my buddy at least, it doesn't really make sense to me.
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2012/09/12 21:46:40
Subject: models bigger than base?
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The Hive Mind
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Kevin949 wrote: Purifier wrote: Kevin949 wrote:Dozer blades aren't decorative anymore, they are counted as part of the hull for measuring distances and LOS to the vehicle, but not for measuring range to the vehicle...
What is the difference between measuring distances and measuring range in this sentence?
Sorry, I meant that it counted as being able to see the vehicle for LOS purposes but you can't draw range to fire on it if all you can see is the dozer blade.
All things said and done, dozer blades and other vehicle upgrades are now considered part of the hull. But you can't use them to determine you're firing on them. According to my buddy at least, it doesn't really make sense to me.
I'd ask for rules quotes because I'm pretty sure that's not true.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/09/12 21:54:36
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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ignore gun barrels, dozer blades, antennas, banners and other decorative elements.
Page 71
It's considered a nothing.
edit: although, that said, it's considered a nothing when measuring to and from the vehicle, but it might still technically be blocking LOS to troops behind the dozer blade. It doesn't say anywhere that it doesn't.
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2012/09/12 22:12:28
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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rigeld2 wrote: Kevin949 wrote: Purifier wrote: Kevin949 wrote:Dozer blades aren't decorative anymore, they are counted as part of the hull for measuring distances and LOS to the vehicle, but not for measuring range to the vehicle...
What is the difference between measuring distances and measuring range in this sentence?
Sorry, I meant that it counted as being able to see the vehicle for LOS purposes but you can't draw range to fire on it if all you can see is the dozer blade.
All things said and done, dozer blades and other vehicle upgrades are now considered part of the hull. But you can't use them to determine you're firing on them. According to my buddy at least, it doesn't really make sense to me.
I'd ask for rules quotes because I'm pretty sure that's not true.
Argh, well of course I can't find it now (the entry about vehicle upgrades being part of the hull) but I know I read that in my buddies rule book. I had to look it over two or three times to make sure I understood and then he looked over it too.
Maddening...
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2012/09/13 01:43:44
Subject: Re:models bigger than base?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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I just told you. Page 71. First paragraph.
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2012/09/13 06:36:48
Subject: models bigger than base?
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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The example for measuring to vehicles measures to the reinforced ram of a trukk though, which is an explicit change to the 5th edition example (which ignored the ram).
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2012/09/13 15:03:42
Subject: Re:models bigger than base?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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I saw, but I'm not talking about that section. I remember reading the specific words that "vehicle upgrades are considered to be part of the hull" somewhere in the book. I'm just racking my brain trying to figure out where.
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2012/09/13 15:05:35
Subject: Re:models bigger than base?
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The Hive Mind
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Kevin949 wrote:
I saw, but I'm not talking about that section. I remember reading the specific words that "vehicle upgrades are considered to be part of the hull" somewhere in the book. I'm just racking my brain trying to figure out where.
Right, but if they're part of the hull you can measure to them...
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/09/13 15:19:21
Subject: Re:models bigger than base?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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rigeld2 wrote: Kevin949 wrote:
I saw, but I'm not talking about that section. I remember reading the specific words that "vehicle upgrades are considered to be part of the hull" somewhere in the book. I'm just racking my brain trying to figure out where.
Right, but if they're part of the hull you can measure to them...
Well that's what I'm saying (and cant find the relevant entry now) is that one section said they counted as part of the hull but the other section says you ignore them for purposes of measuring to and from the vehicle. But as I said, I can't find the first part now. I just remember looking it up because we weren't sure and I saw that section and then my buddy lost his...Vindicator in a game because of that, then a few days later he came to me and said that they count for the purposes of LOS but not for measuring to the vehicle (which also meant you couldn't use those extra bits to measure from the vehicle for certain disembarkation moves).
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