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If you don't take a CCS you can't order "get back in the fight" meaning anything that's gone to ground won't do anything. They can't contest or claim objectives if gone to ground, if you can't order them out, they're basically just going to be ignored.

This has the exact same problem as your previous list. All your threat is based on one thing. People have no reason to shoot at your 2+ cover save troops since they pose no threat and if they've gone to ground, they might as well have shot a pinning weapon at them. Poor list, good luck. Nice to see you've taken people's advice.

Where does it say they don't capture objectives when gone to ground im currently reading the whole page on ''go to ground'' and ''objectives'' page 122-123 read all through that cant see where it says units going to ground cant capture objectives.

and it says nothing of troops going to ground not being able to capture objectives.

you said ''meaning anything that's gone to ground won't do anything. They can't contest or claim objectives if gone to ground, if you can't order them out, they're basically just going to be ignored.''

why would they be running away? if i take a pinning test then yes but remember commissars make me LD 10 any those will be in the units on the objectives

please im not saying you're wrong but show me what page it says ''units going to ground cant capture or control objectives''

My point was not literal. My point was that they are stuck in your deployment zone behind your ADL. You can't capture or control an objective if you're cowering behind a defence line.

Your list makes the assumption that all objective games have the objectives in your deployment zone (where your ADL is).

 Griddlelol wrote:
My point was not literal. My point was that they are stuck in your deployment zone behind your ADL. You can't capture or control an objective if you're cowering behind a defence line.

Your list makes the assumption that all objective games have the objectives in your deployment zone (where your ADL is).

what do you mean? assumption ill explain how objectives work if you don't know

you roll d3 plus 2 for example on most missions
you then take it in turn to place one objective, each person starting with who deploys first deploys the first objective
its not randomly done...
i get a choice on my share on the objectives then my vendettas/executioners will try to kill his troops off his objectives.
then any of my scoring units need to be within 3 inches of an objective to control it
and in the new rules an objective needs to be 6 inches away from any board edge and 12 inches away from another objective.
the list works fine with this?

I don't see a while lot of anti infantry, if you get hit by a blob IG list or horde anything you might struggle. Flyers won't stand a chance though, that's for sure.

 ghastli wrote:
I don't see a while lot of anti infantry, if you get hit by a blob IG list or horde anything you might struggle. Flyers won't stand a chance though, that's for sure.

yeh thats a fair point so if i do come across horde lists i might struggle but remember i fire 10 small blasts per turn at AP 2 strength 7 so it will be wounding on 2s with no Armour saves now on average if the oppent spreads the models apart i should hit 4-5 with my blast if i get a direct hit. and if it is a horde army then i might still hit alot even if i scatter for example i roll a scatter with a 4 and a 4? i minus my bs so i scatter 5 inches ill still probably hit 4-5 models if its a horde army as they will have alot of models in the squad lets say 20-40?

And are the 10 guardsmen veterans? Because that's the only way you can take them without an ICS. They're pretty useless with no weapons btw.

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:


you roll d3 plus 2 for example on most missions

I fail to see how 2/6 missions can be considered most. I also fail to see how sitting on your own objectives will win you the game. You have no aggression which means you will struggle if you don't get 1st blood.

 Griddlelol wrote:

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:


you roll d3 plus 2 for example on most missions

I fail to see how 2/6 missions can be considered the most. I also fail to see how sitting on your own objectives will win you the game. You have no aggression which means you will struggle if you don't get 1st blood.

first blood is 1 point...
i have 4 vendettas so i can get line-breaker
and im saying most missions are objectives 5/6 the others you get 1 each apart from the relic where i can set up the aegis defence line to give me cover on the way there.

Vehicles are neither scoring or denial. You can't get line breaker with them.

The ADL must be set up before terrain and in your own deployment.

 ghastli wrote:
And are the 10 guardsmen veterans? Because that's the only way you can take them without an ICS. They're pretty useless with no weapons btw.

when you go to ground behind an aegis defence line you +2 to you're cover save so 4+ for aegis defence line then 2+ from go to ground
is that what you mean camo cloaks?


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 Griddlelol wrote:
Vehicles are neither scoring or denial. You can't get line breaker with them.

yes true but in the scouring fast attack count as scoring i was trying to explain sorry tyring to keep up with the comments.
and yes you're right with the terrain ive being trying to double check that rule thanks.

Oh in the scouring? So you mean you're relying on getting 1 game type for line breaker? The one with 6 objectives of differing points? So what happens if the 4, 3, 3 are in your opponents deployment? Vendettas aren't denial and so can't contest objectives only claim.
I refer you back to my original point. If your 4 scoring units are sitting in your half, they're not going to do much.

What I mean is the 50 point guardsmen squads come in a platoon, which needs an ICS. Also, 2 squads of guardsmen and ICS are a single troops choice, making both lists illegal. So I suggest finding 40pts per list and making them veterans instead.

By useless I mean that their only function is to sit on an objective. They won't kill anything.

Im gunna have to agree with Griddle and ghasti on this one, your options with this list are very limited, illegal, and anyone who knows what they're doing is gunna cause you a world of hurt

 ghastli wrote:
What I mean is the 50 point guardsmen squads come in a platoon, which needs an ICS. Also, 2 squads of guardsmen and ICS are a single troops choice, making both lists illegal. So I suggest finding 40pts per list and making them veterans instead.

By useless I mean that their only function is to sit on an objective. They won't kill anything.

?????????????????????? page 37 infantry squad 50 points...
50 points to cap an objective is good rather than a space marine army paying 150 for 10 guys on an objective

legal list...

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

 ghastli wrote:
What I mean is the 50 point guardsmen squads come in a platoon, which needs an ICS. Also, 2 squads of guardsmen and ICS are a single troops choice, making both lists illegal. So I suggest finding 40pts per list and making them veterans instead.

By useless I mean that their only function is to sit on an objective. They won't kill anything.

?????????????????????? page 37 infantry squad 50 points...

legal list...

Wrong. Read the codex. I'm not going to quote page numbers because it's obnoxious and childish. I find it amusing how you conveniently ignore the asterisk beside the entry lol. I apologise for my irritation with your posts and I'll stop replying; because you're not listening and won't. I honestly don't understand why you post here.

 Griddlelol wrote:
Oh in the scouring? So you mean you're relying on getting 1 game type for line breaker? The one with 6 objectives of differing points? So what happens if the 4, 3, 3 are in your opponents deployment? Vendettas aren't denial and so can't contest objectives only claim.
I refer you back to my original point. If your 4 scoring units are sitting in your half, they're not going to do much.

yeh but what if its in my deployment? and then ill refer to you're points ''so you're relying on 1 game type'' and Btw i think that one is canceled out in this tournament as we play 5 games in two days.

onthe bottom of page 97 of the codex it states that "units on these two pages may not be taken individually- only as part of an infantry platoon" Infantry squads are on those two pages ( dang Griddle im sorry saw it after i posted)

 Griddlelol wrote:

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

 ghastli wrote:
What I mean is the 50 point guardsmen squads come in a platoon, which needs an ICS. Also, 2 squads of guardsmen and ICS are a single troops choice, making both lists illegal. So I suggest finding 40pts per list and making them veterans instead.

By useless I mean that their only function is to sit on an objective. They won't kill anything.

?????????????????????? page 37 infantry squad 50 points...

legal list...

Wrong. Read the codex. I'm not going to quote page numbers because it's obnoxious and childish. I apologise for my irritation with your posts and I'll stop replying; because you're not listening and won't. I honestly don't understand why you post here.

sorry wrong page yes ive added points for that but havent used right page


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JUST TO SAY THEY ARE VETERANS I PAID POINTS BUT DIDNT SAY THEY WHERE VETS

Step one: take an infantry platoon as a SINGLE troops choice. Step two: you take the minimum required ICS and two infantry squads PER platoon. Step three: you find another unit for your second of your two compulsory troop choices.

A barebones platoon is 130pts each, meaning 260 for your two troop choices there are two ICSs and 40 guardsmen. I suggest getting veterans instead, as it will only cost you 140 points for the two troop choices.

 ghastli wrote:
Step one: take an infantry platoon as a SINGLE troops choice. Step two: you take the minimum required ICS and two infantry squads PER platoon. Step three: you find another unit for your second of your two compulsory troop choices.

A barebones platoon is 130pts each, meaning 260 for your two troop choices there are two ICSs and 40 guardsmen. I suggest getting veterans instead, as it will only cost you 140 points for the two troop choices.

yeh i already did my mistake for not saying they where veterans.

With your change your list is 70 points over. I suggest that you sit down with your calculator and codex and rethink these lists. Try posting them in a new thread, I'll look for it and try and help you out.

 ghastli wrote:
With your change your list is 70 points over. I suggest that you sit down with your calculator and codex and rethink these lists. Try posting them in a new thread, I'll look for it and try and help you out.

lol :1500

2x commissars = 140

4x VETS 70 =280

4x VENDETTAS 130 = 520

2x EXECUTIONERS 230 =460

2x aegis defence lines = 100

For some more anti infantry I suggest making two of the vendettas into Valkyries with multiple rocket pods. They're the same amount of points and I think four vendettas is overkill.

Ghasti is right... unless they have more than 6 tanks its not worth it

 Somedude593 wrote:
Ghasti is right... unless they have more than 6 tanks its not worth it

is not 10 plasma cannon shots per turn anti-infantry?

You can try it if you really like, but 4 vendettas at 1500 is a waste of points IMO.

So any army with barrage weapons....I'm thinking Guard with manticores. As long as the center lands behind your ADL you get no save or Drop pods with anything carring flamers.

Or foot guard. and they just start to walk forard. your only anti hoarde is your plamsa. and if you think people can't kill one russ in a turn then well yeah because thats all they have to do.

And before you say yeah but plasma. Asuming your not playing a stupid opponent they will make sure they get cover so it's not auto death and they only have to make sure the flamer lives to do it again next turn. Or they have melta guns and you lose the Plasma and now only have your vendettas to hurt space marines. Good luck,

aleis wrote:
So any army with barrage weapons....I'm thinking Guard with manticores. As long as the center lands behind your ADL you get no save or Drop pods with anything carring flamers.

Or foot guard. and they just start to walk forard. your only anti hoarde is your plamsa. and if you think people can't kill one russ in a turn then well yeah because thats all they have to do.

And before you say yeah but plasma. Asuming your not playing a stupid opponent they will make sure they get cover so it's not auto death and they only have to make sure the flamer lives to do it again next turn. Or they have melta guns and you lose the Plasma and now only have your vendettas to hurt space marines. Good luck,

sigh you're assuming they will get close enough with meltas or flamers? i got my 3+ cover save for starters then im front 14 and the manticore will only get 1 round of shooting because next turn my vendettas will come in and that will be dead.