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I know I know, this has prolly be hotly debated already here but i need to know mates.

Okay so.... Mindshackle scarabs and challenges literally happen at the exact same time PG 64 of the BRB "Challenges are issue at the start of the fight sub-phase, before any blows are struck." and PG 1 of the necron FAQ "“At the start of the Fight subphase, after charges have been made, but before any blows are struck, randomly select a non-vehicle enemy model in base contact with the bearer of the mindshackle scarabs."

So my question is which happens first and/or who chooses the order??? please supply proof of the latter.

Thankfully, GW actually gave us a rule how to handle these situation. Current player chooses what order to resolve them.
Page 9, Paragraph "Exceptions", third sentence:

Thanks mate!

Doesn't really matter.

You can issue a challenge, opponent can accept or decline, then MSS any non-vic model. After that happens, then comes initiative steps and MSS attacks and/or Challenge Fight will occur at initiative.

It won't make a difference except in the case where your characters are actually in BTB with an MSS equipped model. In that instance the player whose turn it is gets to choose which happens first.

40k-noob wrote:
Doesn't really matter.

You can issue a challenge, opponent can accept or decline, then MSS any non-vic model. After that happens, then comes initiative steps and MSS attacks and/or Challenge Fight will occur at initiative.

It won't make a difference except in the case where your characters are actually in BTB with an MSS equipped model. In that instance the player whose turn it is gets to choose which happens first.

It matters because you can have the MSS go off before accepting a challenge and moving your "uber" character into BTB with the MSS. You can skip the first round of rolling that LD test and hopefully kill the MSS character before the next round. You only have some random scrub in your unit beating on himself the first round.

That being said, I run a destroyer lord with a full unit of wraiths with whip coils and nothing can stand up to them. You can cause the most dangerous thing in the unit to either not attack at all or dependably attack himself. Its a very nasty unit and its hard to kill (my favorite combination )

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
That being said, I run a destroyer lord with a full unit of wraiths with whip coils and nothing can stand up to them. You can cause the most dangerous thing in the unit to either not attack at all or dependably attack himself. Its a very nasty unit and its hard to kill (my favorite combination )

Ran d.lord with sword/board lychguard other night in two games. Tore up Vanilla marines and BT terminators. I was very pleased with the outcome. I did have zahndrekh on board as well so I gave them counter attack when needed (which saved my butt against the BT termies assaulting out of the LR).

Side note, 20 warriors with tank hunter is AWESOME.

*Edit*
Oh, I should note that my destroyer lord was my warlord and he had the tenacity trait, so that whole squad had FNP as well during the assault with the termies (mission was The Scouring and they were next to an objective). But even without FNP it wouldn't have resulted in any extra losses if you supplant the FNP rolls for RP rolls. It did keep them in the fight, however.

Fragile wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Doesn't really matter.

You can issue a challenge, opponent can accept or decline, then MSS any non-vic model. After that happens, then comes initiative steps and MSS attacks and/or Challenge Fight will occur at initiative.

It won't make a difference except in the case where your characters are actually in BTB with an MSS equipped model. In that instance the player whose turn it is gets to choose which happens first.

It matters because you can have the MSS go off before accepting a challenge and moving your "uber" character into BTB with the MSS. You can skip the first round of rolling that LD test and hopefully kill the MSS character before the next round. You only have some random scrub in your unit beating on himself the first round.

I wasn't trying to go through an entire fight sequence from begging to end until all models are dead.

In general it wont matter unless characters are in BTB.

People used to spam Imotekh but since the release of 6th nightfighting got worse and nemesor got better. I dont run the sormlord anymore, I only run the Nemesor. He is an amazing model. Not to mention giving your Wraith/Lord unit furious charge is just wrong. ID-Nobs/Paladins and allowing nor armor saves? Sign me up

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
People used to spam Imotekh but since the release of 6th nightfighting got worse and nemesor got better. I dont run the sormlord anymore, I only run the Nemesor. He is an amazing model. Not to mention giving your Wraith/Lord unit furious charge is just wrong. ID-Nobs/Paladins and allowing nor armor saves? Sign me up

Same here. Stormlord is on the back burner now.

I do want to know though, if GW will FAQ Nemesor to add "Monster Hunter" to this list of Adaptive/Counter Tactics rules.
It seems like that special rule should be available to him.

40k-noob wrote:

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
People used to spam Imotekh but since the release of 6th nightfighting got worse and nemesor got better. I dont run the sormlord anymore, I only run the Nemesor. He is an amazing model. Not to mention giving your Wraith/Lord unit furious charge is just wrong. ID-Nobs/Paladins and allowing nor armor saves? Sign me up

Same here. Stormlord is on the back burner now.

I do want to know though, if GW will FAQ Nemesor to add "Monster Hunter" to this list of Adaptive/Counter Tactics rules.
It seems like that special rule should be available to him.

Ya, since they got rid of acute senses.

Unlikely as most people belive the necron codex was built for 6th. He is a strong character as it is. Nothing like seeing the look on your opponents face when you tell him your Doomsday Cannon now has Night Vision.

Nemesor Zhandrekh is amazing, especially for counter tactics. He adds a very nice tactical strategy to the army. Imotekh is sweet, but Zhandrekh adds so much more to the army.

I think the big thing that killed Imotekh for e was the change in night fighting, as well as the possibility for your hq to cause turn 1 night fighting anyway.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
I think the big thing that killed Imotekh for e was the change in night fighting, as well as the possibility for your hq to cause turn 1 night fighting anyway.

Ya, it's rare that anything in the necron army is over 36" away, and while the stealth and shrouding is nice and all it's become more of a hinderance for necrons than a boon now.