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OK this is my question....I got a friend that plays chaos marines, and he is using obviously a demon prince as his main HQ, i am in the other hand playing space wolves

so he read, he can challenge since his daemon prince is an independent character......

so i hide my rune priest in a unit of long fangs, hoping that he throws a challenge, so when he does throws a challenge I send my squad leader instead of my rune priest, that way WHEN THAT COMBAT IS OVER i can hit with the rest of my unit his demon princes wounding on +2 because my rune priest is wielding a RUNIC WEAPON......is that correct??? can i do that???

that was what i was wandering......

If you are asking can you challenge or accept the challenge with SGT Scrubb then have your Rune Priest paste the Daemon Prince then no.

This was cleared up in the latest FAQ. Challenges are considered separate combat for who can hit/wound who.

Boss is correct

He assaults and issues a challenge
Sgt. Scrubb accepts and is liquifided
Combat in that assault is over

Your next turn the assault continues and you get a chance to challenge, if you don't' then he gets the chance.

Delaying the inevitable, you are.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Runic Weapon ability to wound Daemons on a 2+ applies to the Runic Weapon itself, and not to the entire squad.

Pyrian wrote:
Also, I'm pretty sure the Runic Weapon ability to wound Daemons on a 2+ applies to the Runic Weapon itself, and not to the entire squad.

This.

The DP is a character, but not an IC.

Accept with the Rune priest, and get a reroll from having onlookers.

Or keep the Rune Priest (and sgt) at the 'other side' of the LF unit, so when the DP assaults, he can't accept the challenge, then Pile In and kill the DP.

Oo...

DP is a character, IC part has nothing to do with the situations

The rune priest strikes at I4 the DP strikes at I5-6... the priest will be liquefied before it gets a chance to strike.

Keeping him on the other side of the unit will indeed work for the first round of combat. However the chances of downing him is a single round of combat isn't that great, and the next round you'll either lose you priest attacks or fall back into the cycle of dead Sgt. Scrubb then dead Priest.

well thx all, that is all and yes the ability of the runic weapons is only for the runic priest attacks, i already knew that, is a slim chance, but that is wth happen when you don't own any AA weapons

jakingo wrote:
well thx all, that is all and yes the ability of the runic weapons is only for the runic priest attacks, i already knew that, is a slim chance, but that is wth happen when you don't own any AA weapons

take an ADL with quad gun, or Icarus Lascannon, they work wonders on Fliers.

Also rune priests can ge Prescience, which gives you re-rolls to hit. re-rolls to hit are always good.

jakingo wrote:
well thx all, that is all and yes the ability of the runic weapons is only for the runic priest attacks, i already knew that, is a slim chance, but that is wth happen when you don't own any AA weapons

Don't feel bad, we are all up a creek at the moment against FMC and Flier heavy lists. It's all part of GW's master plan to make games more "fun" and remove competitiveness. (AKA go buy allied models to be good because that is "balanced")

@Death - The Gun Emplacement isn't the greatest since it's a rather large target at T7 2W 3+ armor. Even if it survives the volley of the first turn, it can only mess up one flier/FMC before it gets wiped off the table.

 DeathReaper wrote:

jakingo wrote:
well thx all, that is all and yes the ability of the runic weapons is only for the runic priest attacks, i already knew that, is a slim chance, but that is wth happen when you don't own any AA weapons

take an ADL with quad gun, or Icarus Lascannon, they work wonders on Fliers.

No need to go that route. DPs are FMC's. Shoot with a ton of weapons (bolters in rapid fire range and ACs are nice). Force him to the ground.

Once he is there have your longfangs just ML and plasma the living daylights out of him.

At least that's how folks kill Flyrants.

Challenges... silly 6th ed. This should have been play tested out of the final rule set.

Or. Demon Prince challenges, SGT Scrubb screams "NO" and runs away while the Rune Priest beats his face in.

 BlueDagger wrote:

jakingo wrote:
well thx all, that is all and yes the ability of the runic weapons is only for the runic priest attacks, i already knew that, is a slim chance, but that is wth happen when you don't own any AA weapons

Don't feel bad, we are all up a creek at the moment against FMC and Flier heavy lists. It's all part of GW's master plan to make games more "fun" and remove competitiveness. (AKA go buy allied models to be good because that is "balanced")

@Death - The Gun Emplacement isn't the greatest since it's a rather large target at T7 2W 3+ armor. Even if it survives the volley of the first turn, it can only mess up one flier/FMC before it gets wiped off the table.

Then park a rhino in front of the gun.

 Deuce11 wrote:
Challenges... silly 6th ed. This should have been play tested out of the final rule set.

I agree Challenges should have been left out.

 Gloomfang wrote:
DPs are FMC's. Shoot with a ton of weapons (bolters in rapid fire range and ACs are nice). Force him to the ground.

Once he is there have your longfangs just ML and plasma the living daylights out of him.

At least that's how folks kill Flyrants.

This works as well, especially if you have a Rune Priest with Prescience.

Fragile wrote:
Or. Demon Prince challenges, SGT Scrubb screams "NO" and runs away while the Rune Priest beats his face in.

When you challenge a unit you have no control over who accepts the challenge. However if the enemy declines the challenging player gets to pick which of the models that could have accepted the challenge to lose their attacks.

@ Death - Not sure what that would accomplish since the aegis barrier provides a better cover save. A rhino won't block LoS to the gun unless it's glued with the barrels of the gun facing toward the ground or something.

Parking a rhino in front of the gun blocks LoS to the Gun. Then just move the rhino, shoot the gun, and flat out the rhino back into position.

Just seems weird to be able to target the Gun Barrels.

You can set up your models so that the Rune Priest is more than 2" away from the front models, so when the Daemon Prince charges, and challenges, the Rune Priest isn't close enough to accept. Then at I4, he can pile into range to swing, and get his attacks. Of course, in the second round (unless he's dead) the DP will be able to challenge and the Rune Priest will have to hide or die, but it gives you a round of swings.