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Man I would be cagey as heck in dealing with BTP at the moment, my mate decided to give them a whirl with a new list expansion.. that was over 5 weeks ago and they only just told him they haven't actually ordered any models yet!!!

All the while Shawn is on youtube telling us about how fast their turn around is, and now it's all about this cash injection they are chasing via kickstarter.

From where I am sitting it appears to me, and it's just my opinion that BTP have no cash flow and a company with no cash flow is dead quick smart. They are constantly coming up with ways to get cash upfront that's not redeemable immediately and looking for an investor.

Would love to know how much "store" credit (debt) is on the books as a liability. All I know is when you can't order peoples models due to lack of funds something is up... and if it isn't due to a lack of funds BTP talks the talk but can't walk the walk of real customer service.

I really hope they pull out the stops for my mates sake but to be honest I am expecting it to be a train wreck and a very costly lesson.

You are saying that the IRS investigated these claims. What came out of this investigation?

If you look at the TGN thread you will see that Shawn himself says he choose not to defend the complaint and the IRS made him pay up;

When someone files a complaint with the IRS they assume guilt. Instead of fighting it I just conceded and paid the interest and penalties. Basically those that filed the complaint got what they wanted. Legally, the matter is settled. “Compliance” I think they called it.

When the whopping bill came due (they want it all paid immediately and up front) my family was devastated. It was about half what we made in a year.

To me they pretty much vindicates what these ex employee's have been saying, and if they are being truthful on that matter I don't see why they aren't being truthful on the others they have raised. You only choose not to fight something worth 50% of your annual income when you know you are in the wrong.

I really hope they turn some things around, and it looks like Worthy Painting might be taking the good lessons to be learned from BTP and moving in their own direction.. I would be interested to know if their is a financial arrangement here as the Worthy Paintings website while a lot better looking is almost word for word BTP... the Polices etc are pretty much identical. Shawn has also been mentioning them quite a bit in his youtube videos of late..

Igenstilch,

Why is there very little decent photography on BTP? The miniature gallery photo's are too small and often out of focus... I am yet to find a photo of a BTP miniature that makes me go wow because most detail is lost in the way the picture is taken and presented. I think people would have a better feeling for the quality of the painting if the photo's weren't so badly done and the gallery setup is self makes them hard to navigate. You would be better off whacking each project on flickr at this rate.

Guess I will see for my self soon enough when my mates project arrives, if it ever arrives at this rate.

The Tax thing isn't really a concern for me, it's been proven the ex-employers are correct in this matter, and the IRS settled it.

What's got me concerned is a good friend has a project in with BTP at the moment and by their own admission it's taken them 5 weeks just to order the models. This confirms what the "current" employee said about there always being a 5-8k order back log and BTP using new project deposits to finnish and order older projects stuff.

That is plan robbing peter to pay paul and is no better then what is currectly happening with MG in the UK.

I think people have a right to be concerned, but I will be the first one to eat my hat if BTP actaully deliver a product my mate is happy with.

Shawn is constantly telling people in his video's turn around is quick on average 2-5 weeks, he has admitted to a ordering problem and blamed it on staff but holds to this turnaround time even though he knows at present that is misleading.

Then there is the actaully quality of the product, to date I have only seen one person display their project and talk up the experience... if there are 6000+ projects completed and the owners are happy why isn't youtube etc full of glowing reports?

I am going to ask my mate to post a full review here when / if this project arrives and if credit is due I will appologise for my concerns and doubts.

Matthew from MiniWarGaming is just being blinded by this friendship and to be honest it's his name and business so if he wants to bck BTP thats more then his right.

Got to admit that marine is pretty horrific, can't believe they even thought about sending that out to a customer.

Apparently these are lvl 4 models;

http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_image.php?imgID=129752

don't look anything like the standard shown in the BTP example of a lvl4 found here;

http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=842