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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/18 18:50:28
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Cold-Blooded Saurus Warrior
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If someone could offer me a 500 pt list that is competive as possible that would be awesome.
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Check out my Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheWarhammerFatKids
The Restrictions I Put On My Tallarn Lists:
- Missile Launchers are the only HW teams allowed in Infantry Squads.
- All units able to take the FW Desert Raider special rule, must take it in lists of 750 points or more.
- 1 unit of 10 Rough Riders is required for lists of 1000 points or more.
- 2 units of Mukaali Rough Riders are required for lists of 1000 points or more.
- No vehicles besides Chimera Armoured Transports and Hydra Flak Tank Batteries are allowed.
- Al'Rahem is required in lists of 1000 points or more. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/18 22:14:10
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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This should be in the army list section, but here goes: HQ: Reclusiarch, bolt pistol, frags Troops: 5 Initiates, bolters, ML, PG 5 Initiates, bolters, ML, PG 5 Initiates, BP/CCW, PF, MG, frags Aegis Defence Line with quad gun Total: 499pts Stick the 2 ML squads behind the ADL, manning the quad gun and use the Reclusiarch with the CCW squad for counterattack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/18 23:28:10
Subject: Re:I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Cold-Blooded Saurus Warrior
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What's an Aegis Defence Line
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Check out my Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheWarhammerFatKids
The Restrictions I Put On My Tallarn Lists:
- Missile Launchers are the only HW teams allowed in Infantry Squads.
- All units able to take the FW Desert Raider special rule, must take it in lists of 750 points or more.
- 1 unit of 10 Rough Riders is required for lists of 1000 points or more.
- 2 units of Mukaali Rough Riders are required for lists of 1000 points or more.
- No vehicles besides Chimera Armoured Transports and Hydra Flak Tank Batteries are allowed.
- Al'Rahem is required in lists of 1000 points or more. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/19 00:34:43
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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Sounds like you got some catchup to do...
The Aegis Defence Line is one of the battlement options that you can now use in army lists (other choices are the bastion, and the fortress of redemption).
The ADL comes as is (a set of walls that provide a 4+ cover save) or can be upgraded with a beacon (+1 on reserve rolls), a lascannon with improved range or a twin-linked quad gun (S7 AP4 Heavy 4, Skyfire, Interceptor).
The quad gun is the most expensive option but provides excellent defense against flyers and can also do serious damage to anything on the ground.
You're gonna want to read up on 6th edition rules before your tournament.
Hope all this helps!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/19 15:51:39
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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I am not sure your CCW squad will be able to get counterattack. They dont have a special rule like that...
Another option is 2, 5 man shooting squads, and Typhoon ML
I think it would be: 180 for 2, 5 man squads with ML,
then 4 land speeders with typhoons. Youll be right around 480 points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/19 15:54:56
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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J99Pwrangler wrote:I am not sure your CCW squad will be able to get counterattack. They dont have a special rule like that...
Another option is 2, 5 man shooting squads, and Typhoon ML
I think it would be: 180 for 2, 5 man squads with ML,
then 4 land speeders with typhoons. Youll be right around 480 points.
I don't think he literally meant the counter-attack rule, but use those forces hidden behind BLOS terrain and have them hop out and chop up whatever comes to snack on the marines inside the ADL manning the quad gun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/21 22:42:04
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well you are not going to be troubled with flyers at 500 points.
Then it costs a bomb. 20% of your points sitting there.
65 Castllen :(
80 5 crusaders
80 5 crusaders
70 typhoon
70 typhoon
70 typhoon
Then 65 points for upgrades. You'll out shoot anything the enemy brings. Maybe a couple of lascannons and a better HQ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/22 05:24:55
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Douglas Bader
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MFletch wrote:Well you are not going to be troubled with flyers at 500 points.
Oh yes you will be. As soon as you take out the melta and/or AA you're going to run into the guy who uses cheap IG troops to take a Vendetta or Leman Russ that you can't touch.
Or maybe they'll do it with Tau:
HQ:
Shas' el, missile + plasma
Troops:
Fire Warriors x6
Fire Warriors x6
Fast:
Barracuda
Barracuda
TWO flyers in a 500 point game and it even still has a few points left to spend on upgrades or a couple more Fire Warriors.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/22 11:50:25
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So how many units are you leaving on the battlefield first turn?
10 missiles will make a mess of the remaining units.
That many shots should be fine against the few flyers you may see, sometimes you have to wing it but you can not bring the perfect army for every possible enemy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/22 21:03:18
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Douglas Bader
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MFletch wrote:So how many units are you leaving on the battlefield first turn?
Three, but with small units and JSJ they should be fairly easy to hide until the flyers start to arrive.
10 missiles will make a mess of the remaining units.
Where do you get 10 from? That list has 6 from the speeders, and two from the troops if you buy them. Total of 8 shots.
That many shots should be fine against the few flyers you may see, sometimes you have to wing it but you can not bring the perfect army for every possible enemy.
Except that the flyers get the first shot, and a Barracuda or Vendetta will consistently kill a Land Speeder when it arrives. So right away your missiles will be taking losses, and the survivors will be shooting at BS 1. You might get lucky, but the most likely scenario is you lose your expensive missile platforms early and then fail to do anything as the flyer(s) table you.
And yes, you can't bring the perfect army for every enemy, especially at 500 points. But pretending that flyers and AV 14 don't exist at 500 points is just stupid. You can choose to focus on other things and risk getting tabled by a flyer or AV 14 list as the price of improving against other lists, but you have to acknowledge that you're making a choice that leaves you vulnerable.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/24 06:21:23
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Man O' War
Nosey, ain't ya?
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Wait a second, when did Tau come into this?
How about:
Reclusiarch, Artificer Armour, Power Fist and frag grenades
Crusaders, Lascannon
Crusaders, Lascannon
Crusaders 8 Initiates, PF+Meltagun
500 pts
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I have dug my grave in this place and I will triumph or I will die!
Proud member of the I won with Zerkova club
Advocate of 'Jack heavy Khador. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/24 06:26:50
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Douglas Bader
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Because it's an army he could face, illustrating my point that both flyers and AV 14 are entirely possible in a 500 point game.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/24 16:30:53
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Man O' War
Nosey, ain't ya?
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From what I notice, Tau are something of a rarity, let alone one that is bringing fliers to a 500 pt game. And if they're using FW models, Surely he should ask whether or not he may use them against his opponent first...
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I have dug my grave in this place and I will triumph or I will die!
Proud member of the I won with Zerkova club
Advocate of 'Jack heavy Khador. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/26 18:40:29
Subject: I need help making a 500 pt. Black Templar list for my first 40k round.
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Sinister Chaos Marine
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I've faced Necron Night Scythes in a 500-point list. It was no fun.
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