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If someone could offer me a 500 pt list that is competive as possible that would be awesome.

This should be in the army list section, but here goes:

HQ:

Reclusiarch, bolt pistol, frags

Troops:

5 Initiates, bolters, ML, PG
5 Initiates, bolters, ML, PG
5 Initiates, BP/CCW, PF, MG, frags

Aegis Defence Line with quad gun

Total: 499pts

Stick the 2 ML squads behind the ADL, manning the quad gun and use the Reclusiarch with the CCW squad for counterattack.

What's an Aegis Defence Line

Sounds like you got some catchup to do...

The Aegis Defence Line is one of the battlement options that you can now use in army lists (other choices are the bastion, and the fortress of redemption).

The ADL comes as is (a set of walls that provide a 4+ cover save) or can be upgraded with a beacon (+1 on reserve rolls), a lascannon with improved range or a twin-linked quad gun (S7 AP4 Heavy 4, Skyfire, Interceptor).

The quad gun is the most expensive option but provides excellent defense against flyers and can also do serious damage to anything on the ground.

You're gonna want to read up on 6th edition rules before your tournament.

Hope all this helps!

I am not sure your CCW squad will be able to get counterattack. They dont have a special rule like that...

Another option is 2, 5 man shooting squads, and Typhoon ML

I think it would be: 180 for 2, 5 man squads with ML,
then 4 land speeders with typhoons. Youll be right around 480 points.

J99Pwrangler wrote:
I am not sure your CCW squad will be able to get counterattack. They dont have a special rule like that...

Another option is 2, 5 man shooting squads, and Typhoon ML

I think it would be: 180 for 2, 5 man squads with ML,
then 4 land speeders with typhoons. Youll be right around 480 points.

I don't think he literally meant the counter-attack rule, but use those forces hidden behind BLOS terrain and have them hop out and chop up whatever comes to snack on the marines inside the ADL manning the quad gun

Well you are not going to be troubled with flyers at 500 points.
Then it costs a bomb. 20% of your points sitting there.

65 Castllen :(
80 5 crusaders
80 5 crusaders
70 typhoon
70 typhoon
70 typhoon

Then 65 points for upgrades. You'll out shoot anything the enemy brings. Maybe a couple of lascannons and a better HQ.

MFletch wrote:
Well you are not going to be troubled with flyers at 500 points.

Oh yes you will be. As soon as you take out the melta and/or AA you're going to run into the guy who uses cheap IG troops to take a Vendetta or Leman Russ that you can't touch.

Or maybe they'll do it with Tau:

HQ:
Shas'el, missile + plasma

Troops:
Fire Warriors x6
Fire Warriors x6

Fast:
Barracuda
Barracuda

TWO flyers in a 500 point game and it even still has a few points left to spend on upgrades or a couple more Fire Warriors.

So how many units are you leaving on the battlefield first turn?
10 missiles will make a mess of the remaining units.
That many shots should be fine against the few flyers you may see, sometimes you have to wing it but you can not bring the perfect army for every possible enemy.

MFletch wrote:
So how many units are you leaving on the battlefield first turn?

Three, but with small units and JSJ they should be fairly easy to hide until the flyers start to arrive.

10 missiles will make a mess of the remaining units.

Where do you get 10 from? That list has 6 from the speeders, and two from the troops if you buy them. Total of 8 shots.

That many shots should be fine against the few flyers you may see, sometimes you have to wing it but you can not bring the perfect army for every possible enemy.

Except that the flyers get the first shot, and a Barracuda or Vendetta will consistently kill a Land Speeder when it arrives. So right away your missiles will be taking losses, and the survivors will be shooting at BS 1. You might get lucky, but the most likely scenario is you lose your expensive missile platforms early and then fail to do anything as the flyer(s) table you.

And yes, you can't bring the perfect army for every enemy, especially at 500 points. But pretending that flyers and AV 14 don't exist at 500 points is just stupid. You can choose to focus on other things and risk getting tabled by a flyer or AV 14 list as the price of improving against other lists, but you have to acknowledge that you're making a choice that leaves you vulnerable.

Wait a second, when did Tau come into this?

How about:

Reclusiarch, Artificer Armour, Power Fist and frag grenades

Crusaders, Lascannon

Crusaders, Lascannon

Crusaders 8 Initiates, PF+Meltagun

500 pts

 The Crusader wrote:
Wait a second, when did Tau come into this?

Because it's an army he could face, illustrating my point that both flyers and AV 14 are entirely possible in a 500 point game.

From what I notice, Tau are something of a rarity, let alone one that is bringing fliers to a 500 pt game. And if they're using FW models, Surely he should ask whether or not he may use them against his opponent first...

I've faced Necron Night Scythes in a 500-point list. It was no fun.