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Hi this is my DKOK army for throne of skulls.
Veterans in chimeras.
everything behind aegis defence line for cover saves camo netting then adds +1 to obscured target so 3+ cover with all tanks
when the chimeras die troops disembark and will go to ground getting 2+ cover saves to most things apart from ordnance and flamers (if they get close enough!).
CCS with then use Get Back In The Fight! to both squads so they shoot if needed.
CCS will be in between both of the veteran squads with the regimental standard.
Vendettas first targets will be taking out the stuff that deals most threat to my troops such as tanks/MC , on turn 2 if they get in im sure 2 will get in.
Executioners focus fire on heavy infantry terminators/marines
leman russ focus fire on most things marines/orks what ever troops that are there really.
ill be deploying as far back as possible to possibly 5-6 inches on in a corner with the aegis defence line covering the whole army.
ill be playing 5 games over two days we will be using missions out of the current rulebook one mission will be taken out as we only have 5 games.
if its the relic then of course both chimeras go and collect it and return tanks giving covering fire.
don't need to say everything just a general overview of what i would be doing.


Fortifications:50
Aegis defence line

Hq:70

Command squad
-Regimental standard
-Mortar

Troop:290

10x veterans

10x veterans

Chimera
-Multi-laser
-Heavy bolter
-Camo netting

Chimera
-Multi-laser
-Heavy bolter
-Camo netting

Fast attack:420

Vendetta
-3x Twin-linked lascannons
-Heavy bolter

Vendetta
-3x Twin-linked lascannons
-Heavy bolter

Vendetta
-3x Twin-linked lascannons
-Heavy bolter

Heavy:670

Leman russ
-camo netting

Executioner
-Plasma cannons
-camo netting

Executioner
-Plasma cannons
-camo netting

You definately need more Troops choices, at least a third Veteran squad. Otherwise they're just going to get pulped and that's the end of the game. Yes in the scouring you could use your Vendettas but you're probably going to have to go into Hover mode for that and your Leman Russes can hold for Big Guns but you're still going to need those Troops for the Relic, the Emperor's Will and the first mission the name of which I have forgetten.

Since attending in the Summer, I have changed my list so that, with the allied contingent, I now have 4 Troops choices. You're probably also going to want a Manticore in that list, they're really cheap for what they do, maybe drop the standard russ for it.

 Rampage wrote:
You definately need more Troops choices, at least a third Veteran squad. Otherwise they're just going to get pulped and that's the end of the game. Yes in the scouring you could use your Vendettas but you're probably going to have to go into Hover mode for that and your Leman Russes can hold for Big Guns but you're still going to need those Troops for the Relic, the Emperor's Will and the first mission the name of which I have forgetten.

Since attending in the Summer, I have changed my list so that, with the allied contingent, I now have 4 Troops choices. You're probably also going to want a Manticore in that list, they're really cheap for what they do, maybe drop the standard russ for it.

Hmm i might look into taking that. but really do you think the troops will die that easily?

remember they will have to destroy the tank first...

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

 Rampage wrote:
You definately need more Troops choices, at least a third Veteran squad. Otherwise they're just going to get pulped and that's the end of the game. Yes in the scouring you could use your Vendettas but you're probably going to have to go into Hover mode for that and your Leman Russes can hold for Big Guns but you're still going to need those Troops for the Relic, the Emperor's Will and the first mission the name of which I have forgetten.

Since attending in the Summer, I have changed my list so that, with the allied contingent, I now have 4 Troops choices. You're probably also going to want a Manticore in that list, they're really cheap for what they do, maybe drop the standard russ for it.

Hmm i might look into taking that. but really do you think the troops will die that easily?

remember they will have to destroy the tank first...

Yes, 2 Chimeras are not going to be too difficult to kill.

 Rampage wrote:

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

 Rampage wrote:
You definately need more Troops choices, at least a third Veteran squad. Otherwise they're just going to get pulped and that's the end of the game. Yes in the scouring you could use your Vendettas but you're probably going to have to go into Hover mode for that and your Leman Russes can hold for Big Guns but you're still going to need those Troops for the Relic, the Emperor's Will and the first mission the name of which I have forgetten.

Since attending in the Summer, I have changed my list so that, with the allied contingent, I now have 4 Troops choices. You're probably also going to want a Manticore in that list, they're really cheap for what they do, maybe drop the standard russ for it.

Hmm i might look into taking that. but really do you think the troops will die that easily?

remember they will have to destroy the tank first...

Yes, 2 Chimeras are not going to be too difficult to kill.

yes but think about it even if they do get penetrating hits ive still got my 3+ cover save.
and as i said anything that poses a threat to them will be targeted turn 2 by my vendettas.

But if they're both hiding behind the Aegis all game how are they going to go out and capture objectives? And they will be more than 3 units that will be able to take down those Chimeras, plus, you can't guarentee that all your Vendettas will come on turn 2, plus, you can't guarentee they'll be able to kill the threatening units, like if your opponent has 3 squads of Long Fangs, and you're going to have to fly over them.

Remember that you can get games with 5 objectives where neither your Vendettas nor Leman Russes can score.

 Rampage wrote:
But if they're both hiding behind the Aegis all game how are they going to go out and capture objectives? And they will be more than 3 units that will be able to take down those Chimeras, plus, you can't guarentee that all your Vendettas will come on turn 2, plus, you can't guarentee they'll be able to kill the threatening units, like if your opponent has 3 squads of Long Fangs, and you're going to have to fly over them.

Remember that you can get games with 5 objectives where neither your Vendettas nor Leman Russes can score.

well it can change because you roll and deploy objectives first then you deploy you're army so if they have more objectives ill re-arrange it a little.

now i know not all my vendettas will come on but on average 2 should come on. and lets say i don't kill all the three units of long fangs.

let's say they have all lascannons that means 8 lascannons shots (because i would assume i may have killed 4 from one squad or made them run i dont know) yeh sorry so 8 shots at me 5-6 should hit then 2-3 will penetrate and 1 should glance on average.

then i get my 3+ cover save. and even if it does blow up i still can go to ground with my troops and get a 2+ against most other things.

that then means i still have 2 executioners and a leman russ.

that then means he will have no over heavy support because he's maxed out his heavy unless he has allies.

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:
then i get my 3+ cover save. and even if it does blow up i still can go to ground with my troops and get a 2+ against most other things.

And then you're only holding one objective at best, I had a very similar situation in July against Tau, 3 objectives, he had his Fire Warriors inside his Aegis defence line whilst all of my Long Fangs were hurling Frag missiles at them, he was loosing Tau because even though they had that cover save they were all bunched up and my missiles were scoring a lot of hits, and he needed to get up and get up and push me off an objective to draw the game at best, that didn't happen because getting up out of the cover meant the death of the Tau, so it was a lose lose situation.

Once you're out of your vehicle, the moment you step outside of that Aegis defence line is probably the moment that your Vets die. You need a third squad for target saturation because as it stands, I will see that you only have 2 troops and in objectives all I'll need to do is either kill your 2 troops choices or put you in a position where moving them out from behind the Aegis will get them killed, and that'll be the game. Suddenly, if you have 3 Troops choices that task looks 50% more daunting and your opponent may decide that it's not worth trying to exterminate your troops and go for your Vendettas and Leman Russes instead.

This is the third time you've posted this list and every time Everyone tells you "You need more troops"........and you still act surprised by it.

Either you plan on running this setup regaurdless of suggestions (Which is fine, just don't waste our time)

or

make some major changes in your list, If you tweak it just a little edit your initial post and make a responce saying as much but don't make more threads.

aleis wrote:
This is the third time you've posted this list and every time Everyone tells you "You need more troops"........and you still act surprised by it.

Either you plan on running this setup regaurdless of suggestions (Which is fine, just don't waste our time)

or

make some major changes in your list, If you tweak it just a little edit your initial post and make a responce saying as much but don't make more threads.

leave me alone !
you give crappy ideas on lists and you don't have a clue on how to be competitive leave me alone i don't want you're help Jesus.

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

aleis wrote:
This is the third time you've posted this list and every time Everyone tells you "You need more troops"........and you still act surprised by it.

Either you plan on running this setup regaurdless of suggestions (Which is fine, just don't waste our time)

or

make some major changes in your list, If you tweak it just a little edit your initial post and make a responce saying as much but don't make more threads.

leave me alone !
you give crappy ideas on lists and you don't have a clue on how to be competitive leave me alone i don't want you're help Jesus.

I think Aelis was reasonable with his post. You, on the other hand, have had a hissy fit on your keyboard. If you don't want to hear that 2 vet squads is insufficient for objective matches then don't post in army lists. The forum is for people to provide objective comment on lists, if you think your list is beyond criticism then maybe run your own blog or something. If you win at WW then fine, come back on here and say how you won without an optimised list but I'm not holding my breath on that one ...

As others have said in objective missions you are reliant on tabling. Even on big guns because you can't be aggressive with any of your scoring.

The leman russ isn't a competitive choice in an environment where there are necrons. Even an average Cron list could kill all your ground vehicles in a single turn.

3 vendettas is the only good thing in your list. The vets are useless with no special weapons. The command squad is not helping against other flyers. The russes are too easy to kill even in cover and you've not even got significant range.

How are you going to contest your opponents objective in the emperors will? Start with that question.

 FlingitNow wrote:
As others have said in objective missions you are reliant on tabling. Even on big guns because you can't be aggressive with any of your scoring.

The leman russ isn't a competitive choice in an environment where there are necrons. Even an average Cron list could kill all your ground vehicles in a single turn.

At the last Throne of Skulls there were 17 Necron armies, the second most popular after Vanilla Marines. Believe me, I counted them.

Just checked your other thread. When I said you needed to worry about drop-pods you said you would deploy the aegis defence line and your troops 6" from the back line so no one could get in behind you! So you won't even have troops on your own objectives, never mind getting anyone to the opponents ...

Any morale check on those troops - let's hope you don't fail as that's almost an auto run off the board!

Even if the chimeras live how do you plan to claim objectives in the opponenets deplyment area? You may be able to shoot alot but getting there just isnt going to happen.

 ruminator wrote:

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

aleis wrote:
This is the third time you've posted this list and every time Everyone tells you "You need more troops"........and you still act surprised by it.

Either you plan on running this setup regaurdless of suggestions (Which is fine, just don't waste our time)

or

make some major changes in your list, If you tweak it just a little edit your initial post and make a responce saying as much but don't make more threads.

leave me alone !
you give crappy ideas on lists and you don't have a clue on how to be competitive leave me alone i don't want you're help Jesus.

I think Aelis was reasonable with his post. You, on the other hand, have had a hissy fit on your keyboard. If you don't want to hear that 2 vet squads is insufficient for objective matches then don't post in army lists. The forum is for people to provide objective comment on lists, if you think your list is beyond criticism then maybe run your own blog or something. If you win at WW then fine, come back on here and say how you won without an optimised list but I'm not holding my breath on that one ...


excuse me? im talking about the fact that he says this on every single thing i post so please go away

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 FlingitNow wrote:
As others have said in objective missions you are reliant on tabling. Even on big guns because you can't be aggressive with any of your scoring.

The leman russ isn't a competitive choice in an environment where there are necrons. Even an average Cron list could kill all your ground vehicles in a single turn.

3 vendettas is the only good thing in your list. The vets are useless with no special weapons. The command squad is not helping against other flyers. The russes are too easy to kill even in cover and you've not even got significant range.

How are you going to contest your opponents objective in the emperors will? Start with that question.

2 things you said i have nothing to take down flyers?
vendettas have sky-fire as they are a flyer...

you're saying front Armour 14 with 3+ cover save is easy to bring down?


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 ruminator wrote:
Just checked your other thread. When I said you needed to worry about drop-pods you said you would deploy the aegis defence line and your troops 6" from the back line so no one could get in behind you! So you won't even have troops on your own objectives, never mind getting anyone to the opponents ...

Any morale check on those troops - let's hope you don't fail as that's almost an auto run off the board!

Jesus Christ do you know how objectives work?!!?!?

ill explain i can deploy objectives 6 inches of any board edge and 12 away from another objective...

and my troops need to be within 3 inches of an objective to cap it.

what are you even talking about?!


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 Icelord wrote:
Even if the chimeras live how do you plan to claim objectives in the opponenets deplyment area? You may be able to shoot alot but getting there just isnt going to happen.

why do i need to cap my enemy's objective when i can simply kick them off theirs meaning they wont get their victory points for being on it...

Hey champ, look forward to you coming on back here with a photo of you with the winners trophy.

Oh ... and best of luck with the anger management classes.

 ruminator wrote:
Hey champ, look forward to you coming on back here with a photo of you with the winners trophy.

Oh ... and best of luck with the anger management classes.

you say that because each post you say i reply by saying you're wrong and you don't understand how to play.

please other people check his other reply and see how wrong he is.

I don't think this is an anger management problem, it's more of a pre-teen know-it-all problem. I think it's silly that this person has 1 third of their threads locked and still is allowed to post.

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

Mate, if you're not willing to accept anyones advice why did you bother posting your list up? It's all fine to question the advice and discern the reasoning behind it but there's no need to keep pushing against the advice until half of us are no longer willing to help.

By the way, just wondering, when are you going to Throne of Skulls? As I say I attend a few of them and the next one that I'm going to is in January (picking up tickets as soon as they're on sale) so if you're going to that one I'll see you there.

 Rampage wrote:

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

Mate, if you're not willing to accept anyones advice why did you bother posting your list up? It's all fine to question the advice and discern the reasoning behind it but there's no need to keep pushing against the advice until half of us are no longer willing to help.

By the way, just wondering, when are you going to Throne of Skulls? As I say I attend a few of them and the next one that I'm going to is in January (picking up tickets as soon as they're on sale) so if you're going to that one I'll see you there.

this january... see you there look for my army and the guy wearing a mexican outfit large group of us entering.

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

 Rampage wrote:

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

Mate, if you're not willing to accept anyones advice why did you bother posting your list up? It's all fine to question the advice and discern the reasoning behind it but there's no need to keep pushing against the advice until half of us are no longer willing to help.

By the way, just wondering, when are you going to Throne of Skulls? As I say I attend a few of them and the next one that I'm going to is in January (picking up tickets as soon as they're on sale) so if you're going to that one I'll see you there.

this january... see you there look for my army and the guy wearing a mexican outfit large group of us entering.

Will do, not seen a troupe of sombrero wearers at ToS before, should be interesting. I'll probably be wearing a ToS 2012 T-Shirt and running around with a beardy Space Wolves/IG list.

I think you should re-read my post. I didn't say you had nothing to take down flyers. I said your ccs was not helping your vendettas with aerial superiority since you're only taking 3 I'd suggest giving them reserve support.

Av value is irrelevant against necrons. Likewise their transports can easily get them into your lines where they are glancing on a 2+ and ignoring your cover. So yes in 6th against necrons your lean russes are not remotely survivable.

Also how are you kicking people off their objective? Fortifications go down first so your opponent can place objectives out of Los. Even if not they could easily be having a 2+ cover save. So again how are you going to prevent your opponent from holding objectives in his own deployment zone?

 FlingitNow wrote:
I think you should re-read my post. I didn't say you had nothing to take down flyers. I said your ccs was not helping your vendettas with aerial superiority since you're only taking 3 I'd suggest giving them reserve support.

Av value is irrelevant against necrons. Likewise their transports can easily get them into your lines where they are glancing on a 2+ and ignoring your cover. So yes in 6th against necrons your lean russes are not remotely survivable.

Also how are you kicking people off their objective? Fortifications go down first so your opponent can place objectives out of Los. Even if not they could easily be having a 2+ cover save. So again how are you going to prevent your opponent from holding objectives in his own deployment zone?

Played with a necron player on saturday who is going to throne of skulls, he has 3 ghost arcs, night scythe 2 destroyer things and then some, he will have a field day when he gets into range.

As for 5 to 6 inches away from the edge yes not many can deep strike in behind you, drop pods maybe if you leave a gap as using the sideways deployment there will be gaps in your line unless you really box yourself in with the aegis,other then your battle cannon you dont have much long range weapons (not sure on range of mortar), personally I'd sit further back out of range of most things and spam the LR with lascannons, 48inch range is greater then your 36 for plasma's.

Once that has gone you have a 36" bubble, as for flyers yea they are good and 3 I cant quite ignore but with 3 TL LC's they wont be great against non mech armies, so you are killing 6-7 troops a turn with all flyers from turn 2, with their movement and turning you have to be clever to be able keep all three within LOS of the enemy troops.

I cant see you doing that well with that list to be honest, but I am not a expert on IG

DexterAtWarhammerWorld wrote:

 ruminator wrote:
Hey champ, look forward to you coming on back here with a photo of you with the winners trophy.

Oh ... and best of luck with the anger management classes.

you say that because each post you say i reply by saying you're wrong and you don't understand how to play.

please other people check his other reply and see how wrong he is.

Please. Do check my posts against yours. You will find I'm generally helpful but you have a (short) history) of not taking advice from anyone. I've been playing tournaments for years - in fact I'm probably old enough to be your Dad!

If you play against a drop-pod list you will find out for yourself. Even if the pod itself has to drop sideways/infront of the ADL the unit can then be deployed inside your ADL - shots on rear armour and no cover saves from the ADL. A drop-pod list is going to come in hard and close as that then totally negates the blast templates of the plasma cannons/battle cannon as you'd have to then risk scattering onto your own units ...

I play mainly Nids competitively and my foot IG is only for fun, but I know that sitting immobile behind a line 6" from my board edge for an entire game is not going to win you anything. In predominantly objective missions 2 fairly brittle troop choices are not going to cut it. Come back on here as best IG at ToS and gloat, but I really really don't think that's going to happen. From your name on here I don't think it will be difficult to work out your position when the results come out.

You are massively reliant on 36" range, but have no plans on how to close that range. If those executioners, chimeras go 2-3 turns without shooting anything then what are they adding to your list?

Those vets are base leadership 8 (7 without the sergeant) and that standard has only a 12" range so needs to be sat within range of both chimeras, so limits deployment somewhat. A 5 man T3 unit is pretty vulnerable to almost all shooting and if you lose that standard or can't get the 12" bubble to both chimeras then when (and not if) those chimeras get cracked then morale checks on those vets has them off the board in no time as the nearest models might only be 3-4" from the board edge.

I can see you T3 or T4 with 3 vendettas and nothing else on the table.