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I'm getting back into the hobby now, but it's been a good decade or so. Back then I had heard that if you want to compete in a tournament or something, you have to have at least 70% of your model consist of Citadel Miniature parts, and the rest had to be done either in green stuff or white stuff. I'm fairly sure this was at least [i]for winning Golden Demon-like awards for paining/converting. Not sure if this was true for tournaments. This used to be enough to keep me away from getting things at Michaels to get stuff, because I did frequent tournaments at individual retailers (with GW hosts).

The question is, what is it today? What are the requirements for entering in painting/converting competitions?

Additionally, given that most likely I will never personally enter such things, I may well enter tournaments later on. What are the requirements for *that*? Like Rogue Trader tournaments, etc. - anything official within GW run events (or common requirements at individual retailers). Or are tournaments so relaxed you could use cardboard tubes *and* parts from competing companies in your Warhammer/40k models??

It really depends on the tournament. The GW-model requirement was generally only in GW-supported or GW-run events, and those are fairly few and far between these days. More and more tournaments are moving to allowing whatever models you want to use so long as they are appropriate and recognisable for what they are supposed to be.

Likewise for painting comps... If it's a GW painting comp, it would need to be a GW miniature. For anything else, it's going to depend on the criteria for the comp in question.

I'm not aware of any GW tourneys anymore. Most GW stores are too small to run events.

Most independents don't care about model composition as long as it's recognizable.

 insaniak wrote:
It really depends on the tournament. The GW-model requirement was generally only in GW-supported or GW-run events, and those are fairly few and far between these days. More and more tournaments are moving to allowing whatever models you want to use so long as they are appropriate and recognisable for what they are supposed to be.

Likewise for painting comps... If it's a GW painting comp, it would need to be a GW miniature. For anything else, it's going to depend on the criteria for the comp in question.

Even though I might not get into a painting competition, I know someone that very well might. So how would you define a GW miniature? I mean they don't expect us to just buy what they have and then *not* do any converting, am I right? So given that, what if you just got some GW green stuff or white stuff, and then built like a Chaos Spawn from scratch with it - 100% green/white stuff. Is that a 'GW miniature'? Is it just something that requires you to *not* use bits from competing companies and hobby stores...?


As for the tournament part, my local GW is in the (relatively newly opened, as of last year) Bowie, MD and they definitely have a bunch of GW run events, so I know they follow the usual guidelines. Do you think they'd accept bits of things from like Michael Arts and Crafts? Or are they just as stringent in tournament play as in painting competitions? (if so, please answer the above^ )

 Netsurfer733 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It really depends on the tournament. The GW-model requirement was generally only in GW-supported or GW-run events, and those are fairly few and far between these days. More and more tournaments are moving to allowing whatever models you want to use so long as they are appropriate and recognisable for what they are supposed to be.

Likewise for painting comps... If it's a GW painting comp, it would need to be a GW miniature. For anything else, it's going to depend on the criteria for the comp in question.

Even though I might not get into a painting competition, I know someone that very well might. So how would you define a GW miniature? I mean they don't expect us to just buy what they have and then *not* do any converting, am I right? So given that, what if you just got some GW green stuff or white stuff, and then built like a Chaos Spawn from scratch with it - 100% green/white stuff. Is that a 'GW miniature'? Is it just something that requires you to *not* use bits from competing companies and hobby stores...?


As for the tournament part, my local GW is in the (relatively newly opened, as of last year) Bowie, MD and they definitely have a bunch of GW run events, so I know they follow the usual guidelines. Do you think they'd accept bits of things from like Michael Arts and Crafts? Or are they just as stringent in tournament play as in painting competitions? (if so, please answer the above^ )

Easiest answer would be to call the GW store and ask them. No one is gonna gig you if you use a custom display base, you'll probably get DQ'ed if you show up with arms and heads from another company.

To reiterate. Call the shop and ask.

 darefsky wrote:

 Netsurfer733 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It really depends on the tournament. The GW-model requirement was generally only in GW-supported or GW-run events, and those are fairly few and far between these days. More and more tournaments are moving to allowing whatever models you want to use so long as they are appropriate and recognisable for what they are supposed to be.

Likewise for painting comps... If it's a GW painting comp, it would need to be a GW miniature. For anything else, it's going to depend on the criteria for the comp in question.

Even though I might not get into a painting competition, I know someone that very well might. So how would you define a GW miniature? I mean they don't expect us to just buy what they have and then *not* do any converting, am I right? So given that, what if you just got some GW green stuff or white stuff, and then built like a Chaos Spawn from scratch with it - 100% green/white stuff. Is that a 'GW miniature'? Is it just something that requires you to *not* use bits from competing companies and hobby stores...?


As for the tournament part, my local GW is in the (relatively newly opened, as of last year) Bowie, MD and they definitely have a bunch of GW run events, so I know they follow the usual guidelines. Do you think they'd accept bits of things from like Michael Arts and Crafts? Or are they just as stringent in tournament play as in painting competitions? (if so, please answer the above^ )

Easiest answer would be to call the GW store and ask them. No one is gonna gig you if you use a custom display base, you'll probably get DQ'ed if you show up with arms and heads from another company.

To reiterate. Call the shop and ask.

(I feel like being clear about this - sorry for the longish response lol. Excited about getting back into the hobby but this always used to worry me so I'd like to be quite sure before I really do get into it again)

In fact I have taken your advice and done so! They say about 50-75% CItadel stuff is pretty manditory, but they've relaxed on this quite a lot in the past decade or so which i was THRILLED to hear. They even say that last 25% can totally be from other competing companies! He said sometimes in places like Golden Demon competitions or model competitions that use conversions, 90% Citadel is usually manditory. Also Green stuff and white stuff is always good, and Michaels or other arts 'n craft stores are generally good also, for that last 25%.

He said this is essentially the requirement anywhere; this is SO much more relaxed than it used to be (as I remember it) it's just thrilling! I'm thinking of actually going to a Warmaster site now for this rofl. But anyway what are *your* guys experience with this sort of thing? Has anyone here actually run into trouble with this?

And @darefsky - aren't arms and head below 25% of a model...? Given what I've been told (see above), is your mind changed about the DQ thing?

If a GW store is willing to let you use heads and the like for competitions more power to them. I remember hearing about a dust-up from someone using Pig-Iron heads on their Guardsman a few months back.

If GW is loosening it up, I'm all for it. Their asinine policies and pricing drove me a way a few months ago, so anything they do to actually show interest in a pure hobby sense (and I mean that they actually acknowledge that they are not the be all, and end all of the hobby) puts them in a better light in my book.

What are you thinking about submitting?

Regardless of what the guy at the store tells you, I very much doubt it's ever going to be as simple as 'X%' of the miniature.

For an in-store competition, it's more likely to come down to whether or not it's still recognisable a GW miniature. Scratchbuilt or sculpted stuff is usually fine, but if you're using third part parts you're likely to run into trouble if they are the focus of the mini.

And you're less likely to see your model in Golden Demon coverage if it includes easily recognisable parts from other manufacturers.

IMHO since GW has all but abandoned the Tournament scene it would be the height of hubris for them (or their representatives) to demand anyone use a set percentage, or even ANY, of their product at unsupported events. You want us to run %50 GW per model? Then cough up some sanctioned support. Prizes. Trophies. A section in White Dwarf devoted to the Tourny Scene. Anything.

Of course it all depends on the discretion of the TO.

I mean they're doing stuff like this at my GW dkellyj... http://www.facebook.com/events/192561094211567/ And a fair bit more?

But yeah ty guys! I mostly wanted this for tournament use/conversions of models; the girlfriend has a better shot at going to Golden Demon stuff than I XD

Well, if it is a GW store (Battle Bunker) then they do have the call on product limitations. They are GW afterall.
My thoughts range from the FLGS scene to major Tournys.
If GW wont support the local indies or big events they really cant complain if someone uses aftermarket stuff to accent their army.

I was recently told that in the UK they are moving towards 90% GW

 bubber wrote:
I was recently told that in the UK they are moving towards 90% GW

From what?