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Right first of all i've been playing 2000pts and i was running the following list:

Belial (Apoth and Banner)
Master of the Ravenwing in speeder (Apoth and Banner)
Librarian (TDA and Combi plasma)
3 x squads of Deathwing with 2x AC and 1 x CML and mix of TLLC, TH/SS and normal PF and SB
1 x ravenwing with 6 x bikes, 2x plasma and 1x PF, Attack bike and speeder.
Land Raider Crusader (carrying Belial, librarian and his deathwing command sqaud)

Where as my freinds necrons were:

Vargard Obyron (with royal court of Crypteks with Harbringer of the Storm and a Lord)
Nemesor Zahndrekh
2x 20 squad of Warriors
3 Wraiths
Annihilation Barge
3x Squads of three heavy destroyers
and some scarabs..

Ok ive faced my freinds necrons twice recently and both times the game has gone down the same way. In the first turn he uses Obyron special rule Ghostwalk Mantle to deepstrike him and his royal court straight into my deployment and precedes to wipe out my LRC with his Voltaic Staff using its stupid Haywire rule to glance my 4 hull points off on a 2+!

Then when it actually gets to my turn i get Belial and his command squad from the wreck straight into combat with Obryon and kill him and his court in combat, no problem. Next turn tho he simply gets resurrected using his everliving and resorb on a 4+ and he procedes to slowly wipe out my Ravenwing over the next few turns whilst on an objective, even though every round he would be killed hed simply get back up

Anyway i've ranted too long already, my main point is that i can deal with the destroyers and wraiths and barge and the rest but its that royal court that always deep strikes in pops my Land Raider, always on the first turn.
I just need to know is there any tactics to avoid this, or any change to my build that anyone would suggest to help out. I would remove the Land Raider its just its normally so useful for delivering my command squad to where there needed and providing some solid firepower.

Any help is much appreciated!

Anyone?

Are you playing two force orgs? Because he can't have 3x3 heavy d's and wraiths and scarabs.

As for advice, since you're winning in close combat against the court and obyron just leave your squad on top of the counters and don't give him the room to get back up. If he can't place them, he can't revive them. Simply as that.

Seeing as you are only running the one squad of bikes I would drop Sammael and pick up another squad of terminators.

I would also drop the land speeder, change the Plasma guns into Melta guns. This would give you points to drop a vindicator tank into your line. That st 10 ap 2 will send his necrons back to where they came from.

Ouch, a mini Royal Court Disco Inferno. Just be glad it's not a full strength one (five Harbingers, five Lords, plus attached HQ), those can steam roll their way through just about anything.

As for how to deal with it, well... spread out?
If he's going straight for the LR every time, try a game without it. Instead, get more boots on the ground. This will serve two purposes: make his Storm-teks practically useless (they're there to pop vehicles), and make it harder for him to DS in (if you position yourself so that he has a good chance to scatter into your guys, he might lose a good chunk of his points to mishap.

But as has already been asked, are you guys playing double FOC? Because if not, he has WAY too many Fast Attack units.


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Also, when you say they (Obyron's Deathstar) get resurrected "next turn", I hope you mean at the END of that phase.
If not, and your friend is bringing them back the actual next turn... that ain't right.

1 Your list is illegal.

2. A single crusader is asking for trouble drop it get more terminators.

 captain collius wrote:
1 Your list is illegal.

Why is my list illegal?

And yer ive realised that he was running way too many fast attack for some reason thought his destroyers were troops!

Thanks for everyones feedback decided im gunna try dropping MotRW and replace him with maybe an Ironclad dreadnought and will try some builds with and without the LRC with more Termis or even Ravenwing instead.

Your list has 3 HQs, so you are doing double FoC.
Land raiders do not work for deathwing.
Double FoC doesn't work for deathwing.

Meat shield the raider so the guys can not land within 12'' to use the staff. Otherwise just destroy his few scoring units and then hold one objective, you probably do not need the raider for this.

Raiders: stop termies from shooting; reduce an already low model count; become the target of all mech weapons; they do not really increase mobility; they mean you are less shooting power.
Double FoC is just broken. However, deathwing are not the ones that broke it. Actually 6 typhoons would be quite sweet, also you could Belial, Azrael, librarian, blob squad.

MFletch wrote:
Your list has 3 HQs, so you are doing double FoC.
Land raiders do not work for deathwing.
Double FoC doesn't work for deathwing.

Meat shield the raider so the guys can not land within 12'' to use the staff. Otherwise just destroy his few scoring units and then hold one objective, you probably do not need the raider for this.

Raiders: stop termies from shooting; reduce an already low model count; become the target of all mech weapons; they do not really increase mobility; they mean you are less shooting power.
Double FoC is just broken. However, deathwing are not the ones that broke it. Actually 6 typhoons would be quite sweet, also you could Belial, Azrael, librarian, blob squad.

They can't be playing double foc, they don't have 4 troops.

So realistically I imagine when they both start taking legit armies he may find himself in not such a bad spot against the necrons. LoL

 Kevin949 wrote:

They can't be playing double foc, they don't have 4 troops.

I do have 4 troops 3x Deathwing with Belial = Troops and 1x Ravenwing which = Troops with MotRW.
I Agree tho i have realised his list was illegal, although this being only my second 6th edition game and only the second time ive played necrons i didn't realise.

 Scrollax wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:

They can't be playing double foc, they don't have 4 troops.

I do have 4 troops 3x Deathwing with Belial = Troops and 1x Ravenwing which = Troops with MotRW.
I Agree tho i have realised his list was illegal, although this being only my second 6th edition game and only the second time ive played necrons i didn't realise.

Oh, the bikes are troops? Didn't know, just assumed they were fast attack like the other bikes I've gone against. *Shrug* Sorry.

Ok dont worry man, thanks for the help anyway.

 Scrollax wrote:
Ok dont worry man, thanks for the help anyway.

And honestly, like I said, next time he takes a legit list I'm sure you'll have less of a problem. Not saying you'll win (or lose), just that your game will probably be a bit less one-sided. Haha.

Your list is still illegal:

For a dubble FOC you need one HQ and two troops per FOC.
In one of your FOC you have Belial and terminators as troops, so you have 3 troops.
The other FOC have Master of the Ravenwing and one troop choise in the bikes. You cant have Terminators as troops in this FOC.

First of all, Make both of your lists legal.
Then I would drop the landraider. Use your Deathwing assault rules and deepstrike. Remember that the bikers have teleport homers.
The bikers also have scout, so you can scout them ahead and then use deepstrike on them.
Also, you should skip the librarian. Dark Angles got horrible powers. (you can use the universal ones tho).
Buy another squad of Bikers, and maybe more Terminators.

Oh, and do you really need those banners and apothercarys?
As far as I remember they give you fearless or something. And both Deathwing and Ravenwing are fearless by default.
It looks cool but is abit overpriced.

His list is legal however, nowhere is it stated that the Deathwing Terminators can only be taken as troops for Belial's FOC, all his entry states is "Deathwing Terminator Squads may be taken as troops as well as elites".
So he can go for minimum requirements

FOC 1:
Belial
2x Terminators

FOC 2:
Sammael
Bikers
Terminators