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Hey all, was originally looking to sell my blood angel army, but due to time spent on painting etc ive decided to hold onto them and start building on them for 6th edition. Looking for input on my list. Thanks for any and all input.

Librarian
-Shield of Sanguinius, Blood Lance

RAS- 5 Assault Marines
-Plasma Gun
-Razorback - Las/Plas

RAS- 5 Assault Marines
-Plasma Gun
-Razorback - Las/Plas

RAS- 5 Assault Marines
-Melta Gun
-Razorback - Las/Plas

Furiouso Dreadnought
-Frag Cannon, Bloodfist w/Melta Gun, Magna Grapple
-Drop Pod

Furiouso Dreadnought
-Frag Cannon, Bloodfist w/Melta Gun, Magna Grapple
-Drop Pod

Vindicator
-Pintle Mounted StormBolter

Vindicator
-Pintle Mounted StormBolter

Stormraven Gunship
-Twin Linked Multi Melta, TL Assault Cannon

Aegis Defense Line
-Quad Gun

Ally Detachment: Space Wolves

Rune Priest
-Divination Powers

Grey Hunter Pack - 10 Grey Hunters
-Melta Gun x2, Power Fist
-Drop Pod

Long Fang Squad - 5 Long Fangs
-Missile Launcher x 4

Librarian will join a RAS squad in razorback. Utilizing shield for the 5+ cover. Furiousos designed to pop tanks or do a nice bit of damage to horde type units with the frag cannons. Longfangs man the defense line and add some fire support with the runepriest divination powers. Stormraven will stay empty and provide more air support with the quad gun. Thoughts?


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any thoughts from anyone?

Assault marines cannot assault out of a razorback, does that sound like a good idea?

Admiral General Aladeen wrote:
Assault marines cannot assault out of a razorback, does that sound like a good idea?

Assault marines can pop out and double tap out of a razorback, does that sound like a good idea?

If he was looking to focus on assault, then he would kit the squad out to be able to assault.

The intent of the list is to shoot and counter shoot targets, not get into combat ASAP.

Well, they can't "double-tap", per se, since they don't have bolters. I'd be tempted to consider plasma guns in this edition, for double-tap value and 24" threat range when moving now.

Overall I like the looks of it. Nice and shooty, and the vehicles you're bringing are also shooty, which I think is key. I like the Frag Assault Furioso in a pod combo. Really solid in this edition, IMO. I'd even be tempted to take the heavy flamer on the other arm, for maximum template death, but I can understand the appeal of the meltagun. I think which is better will come down to the opponents you face.

I like your thinking on the Librarian powers as well, though I don't know if I'd go Smite. The AP is nice, but I think Blood Lance or Fear could be more useful. Or even Sword, since you're going with meltabombs in your little squads, that has similar utility.

The techmarine unfortunately can't reinforce the wall. Bolster only works on ruins.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2570050a_Space_Marines_v1.1.pdf

I think the vanilla marine librarian can't embark into the BA razors.

Why have two furioso's with blood fists for tanks and hordes?, personally I have planned to kit out one for tank busting, blood fists and magna grapple (plus melta gun) and the other with heavy flamer and two blood talons, they really do chew through hoard units

Yeah.. the intent is definitely not assault oriented with 5 man squads and no priests...can also see the appeal to go with a plasma gun instead of a melta gun. Good point about the vanilla marine librarian though Ill have to figure something out different for him...maybe drop a BA razor for a vanilla marine Razor and sub the ba razor squad for a scout squad.. easy fix. Just lose fast rule on one of the razorbacks.. so maybe more benefitial to go with an assault cannon on that one or something. As for the dreads.. I dont necessarily assume they will sometimes last long enough to get into combat. So I left the frag cannon and melta ccw arm on so when he drops i can use his shooty weapons based on need and maximize his damage potential. Also they must have changed the faq cause at one point he was able to bolster most things.. but thats a minor detail..dont have a need to change him on that note.


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List Reflects new Changes....substituted 1 blood angel razor squad for scout unit...gave 2 razor squads a plasma gun. Tactical squad replaces the scout squad for my vanilla marine ally giving their sergeant a combi-plasma. Vanilla marine Librarian can join the tac squad in their razor now. Also swapped smite for blood lance on the blood angel librarian

Looks like a cool list like the vanilla allies.

Thank You all for the comments so far...Think I may have finally found where I want my Blood Angels to be in this edition. Keep the comments flowing pls any bit of insight will help and be greatly appreciated.

I can see how this list would work, I would have a little difficulty on target priotization and you have a good deal of AP1/ap2 weapons.


Suggestions/concerns?
- Swap the BA scouts for vanilla scouts to get telion on the defence line?
- If you want to cheese the gunline, parking razorbacks front right aginst ageis defence line will result in cover saves for them.
- plamas on tanks can now cause glances on "gets hot' while not huge mathamatical risk ACs are the other good choice if you want to be closing range.
++ Vindicators and Furiosos for hoards and Razorbacks/Ras squads for 2+/3+ target squads... I think you are covered for everythig save LR spam or flyer spam.

Oh Vanilla Lib cant get in the BA razorback.

So you want to get into the enemy's face.
No, idea why you want the vanilla guys.

If you really want the librarian then:
140 Librarian with terminator armour
220 combimelta, melta, ML, drop pod
100 thunderfire cannon

This means you have choice of what arrives first turn with your pods, with 2 pods definitely arriving. The ML with combat squad behind the ADL.
BA could do this a lot better really.

Else use Telion and sniper scouts.
If you must use a razorback, give the tactical squad 10 men. The 80 points is well worth the investment.

In any case I would actually recommend a stormtalon. One flyer is probably not enough and stormtalons are worth the points if they have some shirt tails to hold onto.

Also I dislike the dread set up and I think priests are probably needed even mech lists to make your scoring units last longer.
It seems a reasonable idea to flood the enemy with mech

Originally.. i was using vanilla scouts.. only swapped to tac squad in razor cause of the vanilla librarian not being able to join in the ba razor squad. Which would defeat the purpose of his null zone ability.


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I can see the reasoning with not bothering with the vanilla marines.. mainly took them for null zone and i figured thunderfire cannon would be great horde support. Although taking the thunderfire cannon i originally thought he could bolster the defenseline. So with that said is it worth taking the librarian for null zone..and if i dropped allies altogether would it better to use the 200 pts from librarian and thunderfire cannon for another pod unit such as sternguard, honor guard, or another furiouso

Ok.. Thinking about my list some more...i decided i dont necessarily need the thunderfire cannon...with that said...to get what i need/want from my allies. Looking for a third drop pod unit for the null zone librarian to join up with. and also to have a sturdy unit to man the defenseline.. as mentioned my best bet is vanilla scouts with camo cloaks and tellion for a 2+ cover and tellions always precision shot rule.

So for vanilla marines id be looking at....

Librarian
-Null zone , Smite, Force Axe

Tactical Squad - 10 tactical marines
-melta gun, sergeant with combi-melta
-Drop Pod

Scout Squad
-Sniper Rifles, Camo Cloak, Hellfire Heavy Bolter
-Tellion

Other thought i had was ditching vanilla marines altogether and going with space wolves..

Rune Priest
-Divination Powers

Grey Hunter Pack -10 Grey Hunters
-Melta Gun x2, Wolf Standard, Power Fist
-Drop Pod

Long Fang Squad - 5 Long Fangs
-Missile Launcher x4

Any thoughts on these changes.. worth it or should i just stick to my original list.. also noting that by going space wolves i have the points to add magna grapples to my dreadnoughts.

Must admit, the only race i would ally up with my angels would be guard...
Lots of nice template spam :-)

As of your second list, i would rather have the wolves than the vanillas, as the wolves supply some great fire support

So would i be better served with an imperial guard detachment?

say

Company Command Squad
-master of the fleet, astropath
-heavy weapon team- autocannon

Infantry platoon
platoon command
-heavy weapon team-autocannon

infantry squad
-heavy weapon-autocannon

infantry squad
-heavy weapon-autocannon

Vendetta Gunship

Narrowed List down to space wolf allies. List up top represents where I am heading with the list thus far. Any more comments?

Ok All...Ive decided that allies in general probably arent needed...current list uses just full blood angels. I know I have no priests, however most squads are only 5 mans aside from the 10 man assault squad in pod. They are used as a mid/late game objective scorer so im not too concerned with the feel no paint on them.

Librarian
-Shield of Sanguinius, Blood Lance

RAS - 5 Assault Marines
-Melta Gun
-Razorback - Las/Plas

RAS - 5 Assault Marines
-Melta Gun
-Razorback - Las/Plas

RAS - 5 Assault Marines
-Melta Gun
-Razorback - Las/Plas

Tactical Squad - 10 Tactical Marines
-Melta Gun, Missile Launcher
-Razorback - Las/Plas

RAS - 10 Assault Marines
-Melta Gun x2, Power Weapon, Melta Bomb
-Drop Pod

Furiouso Dreadnought
-Frag Cannon, Blood Fist w/ Melta Gun
-Drop Pod

Furiouso Dreadnought
-Frag Cannon, Blood Fist w/ Melta Gun
-Drop Pod

Vindicator

Vindicator

Stormraven Gunship

Aegis Defense Line
-Quad Gun

Librarian joins RAS squad in razor. Furiouso's drop first turn together to cause havoc against a vehicle or hoard type units with their frag cannons. Tac squad combat squads 5 w/melta in razorback and 5 with missile launcher manning defense line.


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I could even probably make that 10 man ras squad another tac squad so i needed to combat squad them i could