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I just bought Ghazghkull and I'm considering how to actually get some use for the rather high point investment.

I usually play green tide but it feels like footslogging Ghaz would be a waste sinve he is sooooo sloooow and likely won't get any action until late-game. I see two options here:

1. Either i do let him walk with the rest of the army. Keeping him up front in a full shoota squad means he can soak up som AP3 or worse wounds and LOS the AP1+2 to his 30 extra wounds behind him.

or..

2. Throwing him in a boysquad in a battlewagon and just rush up front. This, together with a burna + kff wagon for target saturation and givng Ghaz's wagon the benefit of the bubble, creating two equal threats.

I feel that putting him in a trukk or looted wagon is way to vulnerable, he'll be without transport after 1 round of shooting and then have to walk without the full-boysquad-support behind him.

How do you field him? What works?

Two battlewagons are not target saturation.

Saturation requires you to bring more of something than your opponent can shoot down. Two battlewagons are pretty much the expected amount of casualties till turn 3, so you require more.

Besides that, all that Ghaz does in 6th now is hit stuff like a mag-train. If you really want to field him, toss him out of a battlewagon, call the Waagh! and watch him crush a whole unit by himself. Besides that, he really isn't worth his points anymore.

Is the general consensus that he isn't worth the points cost? I figured that he could make quite a dent in the opposing forced if played right but costing the same as 15 additional lootas, perhaps not a big enough dent.

athedge wrote:
Is the general consensus that he isn't worth the points cost? I figured that he could make quite a dent in the opposing forced if played right but costing the same as 15 additional lootas, perhaps not a big enough dent.

Correct I love ghazzy, but I will never use him until a dex change now 130 pts for a full decked out mega-armored warboss or spend 95 more pts for minor tweaks?

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

athedge wrote:
Is the general consensus that he isn't worth the points cost? I figured that he could make quite a dent in the opposing forced if played right but costing the same as 15 additional lootas, perhaps not a big enough dent.

Correct I love ghazzy, but I will never use him until a dex change now 130 pts for a full decked out mega-armored warboss or spend 95 more pts for minor tweaks?

I agree, the points difference between a Mega-armoured warboss and Ghaz now just makes Ghaz not worth it. It was all about his Waaaargh! in 5th, now thats been nerfed he's just not worth it. Mega-armoured warbosses rock.

Point is, he only makes a slightly bigger dent than your regular MA Waboss, but costs about 100 points more. You no longer want to call a Waagh! just to give him an invul saves, as you might not get the full potential out of your dakka jets. In addition, you can either benefit from the 6" run or from the invulnerable save and fearless in combat, not both.

All in all, not worth the extra points over a warboss anymore.

Agreed. Just make him a fancy MegaBoss and call it a day. Trust me, a standard MegaBoss can kick plenty of ass all on his own, definitely better for the price then Ghaz as mentioned

And from the previous posts i figure that Battlewagon + Megaboss is an effective delivery system? It breaks the theme of my tide but then again its a good use for my wagons.

athedge wrote:
And from the previous posts i figure that Battlewagon + Megaboss is an effective delivery system? It breaks the theme of my tide but then again its a good use for my wagons.

Yes, it is. I haven't played a 6th ed game yet, but from what I can tell from reading the rules, BWs are still pretty durable, even with the changes to vehicles.

But I will argue that Ghaz is still worth it, despite his cost. When he calls his WAAAGH! you get an auto 6 inch run... Yeah, that unit can't assault if it does run, but at least you're that much closer.

Why would you use that? Very few situations that would be beneficial. He costs WAY more then a standard boss, and now thanks to 6th, those extra points simply are not worth it. Id rather take a hopped up megaboss for 100ish less, and only slightly less performance, and add another unit of lootas or something, then JUST Ghaz

That eternal warrior is a pretty big deal to me...

Putting him as a bullet magnet out front of some shoota boyz is probably reasonable, though a waste of Ghaz. really and it is easy to get around.
Then the battlewagon idea sounds best.

No, Ghaz. is no longer worth the points.
However, if you get into combat against something juicy, let's say mephiston or maybe better Vulkan, then you'll be more than happy and it'll make up for all the times he under performs.

Personally, i would field him with 9 other meganobz, in a Battlewagon.

Malcador wrote:
Personally, i would field him with 9 other meganobz, in a Battlewagon.

Ghaz' best trait IMO is his WS and eternal warrior his invul is almost impossible to pull off without wasting your dakka jets now but it is a small window of opprotunity. i don't think he is by any means useless but I would rather run a Megaboss with a bun of foot nobz and FNP anyday of the week. Also taking a battle wagon to boot makes it an amazing choice.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Malcador wrote:
Personally, i would field him with 9 other meganobz, in a Battlewagon.

Ghaz' best trait IMO is his WS and eternal warrior his invul is almost impossible to pull off without wasting your dakka jets now but it is a small window of opprotunity. i don't think he is by any means useless but I would rather run a Megaboss with a bun of foot nobz and FNP anyday of the week. Also taking a battle wagon to boot makes it an amazing choice.

That's precisely why I take Ghaz, because of that eternal warrior. I was sick of my warboss either having to avoid tough enemies or they just get instant killed by them.

 Sovspot wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Malcador wrote:
Personally, i would field him with 9 other meganobz, in a Battlewagon.

Ghaz' best trait IMO is his WS and eternal warrior his invul is almost impossible to pull off without wasting your dakka jets now but it is a small window of opprotunity. i don't think he is by any means useless but I would rather run a Megaboss with a bun of foot nobz and FNP anyday of the week. Also taking a battle wagon to boot makes it an amazing choice.

That's precisely why I take Ghaz, because of that eternal warrior. I was sick of my warboss either having to avoid tough enemies or they just get instant killed by them.

been awhile since i've had to worry about autokills on the boss actually but i hear exactly what you're saying it's always good to have more flexibility in a list. ultimately i think i can ge tthe job done with someone who isn't ghazzy for the time being but i play smaller matches as is.

You realize the things that can ID a normal boss are somewhat rare, not counting damn near everything in the GK dex

So against marines you dont want to assault dreads Lysander and you dont want to be hit by a deolisher cannon, although you can simply LoS! that wound away. Or, run a bikerboss and laugh at all those attempts. Still not worth the 100ish points to have +1 attack, +1 WS and eternal warrior. Because lets face it, an auto 6 for running, is fairly useless. Unless its on a turn your wanting your DAKKAjets to hose something down, I dont really see you wasting a WAAAAGH! for a run move

Because ghaz is S&P doesn't he lose that auto 6 to run? Since he can't run at all?!(s&p cannot run correct?) so I usually just took ghaz in a small unit of manz, because I made the mistake of sticking him in a large group of boyz once, and they got got hit with psy. attacks all day, not to mention frozen in place for 3 rounds.

I would suggest taking a MA boss with a small unit of Manz, say 4 or 5 in a 2k list. Then just move and shoot at whatever you can hit with them till your range to charge

The most recent FAQ has changed Prophet of the Waaagh! to make all MA models relentless instead of S&P for those two player turns.

I guess it would be hilarious if someone charged your MANz equipped with combi-skorchas and you called the Waagh! in order to wall of death the attackers to ashes.

Dunno why, but I never thought of that one. Very nice idea Jidmah

Gaz is very useful for that one turn where he pops the waaaaaaaagh and takes a giant gak on whatever he gets a hold of. I have best seen him used as a terror weapon as well as being very, very good at clearing out most any kind of unit on his own.