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Who is in your opinion more competent to lead post heresy TS ? Or who would you rather follow?

IMHO Ahzek made one mistake and it was in good intentions while Magnus and his hubris screwed them 4life...

I would much rather follow Ahriman for the simple fact I would love to raid the Black Library as well. lol

Ahriman is, purely because like most of the other daemon-primarchs, Magnus is chillin' in his tower.

 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
I would much rather follow Ahriman for the simple fact I would love to raid the Black Library as well. lol

This- harlequins keep charging me late feess

Ahriman because he is actually doing something. And that something isn't waging a psychotic war like Angron or Failbaddon. He's after knowledge.

Also gonna go with Ahriman, he actually has a purpose and a vision for the Sons, while Magnus would rather just kick back and occasionally mess with the Wolves. He kind of lost his drive and motivation after the Heresy.

That being said, Magnus is my favorite primarch and I'd love to see him actually take up his old mantle as all-knowing, amazing psychic badass. If he were to go out and cause havoc like Angron, but with some great, twisted, Tzeentchian plan behind it. That would be great.

Ahriman has more magnificent bastard points.

Magnus' hubris, combined with Russ' incompetence, led to the downfall of the Thousand Sons. Now he spends his days as a Daemon Prince, presumably fighting Tzeentch's war against Nurgle in the currents of the warp, and still trying to control things he is far from understanding. He abandoned his Legion at Prospero when he let the Space Wolves hunt them, and he abandoned his Legion again when he accepted Daemon Princedom.

Someone of Ahriman's stature has almost certainly been offered Daemon Princedom by Tzeentch. He is one of the greatest Sorcerers and sharpest minds the galaxy has ever known. Like Abaddon, he's rejected it. Though he allies himself with the Gods, he refuses to allow himself to be enslaved by them. When the Thousand Sons Legion was wracked by mutation and it seemed that they were no more than playthings of Tzeentch to be ruined and discarded, it was Ahriman who saved them.

So I would side with Ahriman.

Ahroman is walking down the same path Magnus once did. He does not believe he serves Tzeentch but ultimately his actions are guided buy him unknowingly.

He condemened his Legion to dust as magnus condemned them to defeat.

Magnus at least stopped meddaling although Ahriman and the Rubric at least had a plan b for tzeentch.

He is less active because he is a Daemon. Only him and Angron have done anything to be fair.

I hold out hope that Magnus has accepted his fate and learnt his mistakes, while Ahriman and his hubris is making all of the same mistakes.

That and Ahriman turned all my friends and brothers to dust.
For that I choose Magnus.

 Eetion wrote:
Ahroman is walking down the same path Magnus once did. He does not believe he serves Tzeentch but ultimately his actions are guided buy him unknowingly.

Ahriman believes he has chosen his own path just as Magnus once did, but he is indeed nothing more than but another pawn of the Changer of Ways. Albeit one of his most prized and favorite pawns, just like Magnus was.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Eetion wrote:
Ahroman is walking down the same path Magnus once did. He does not believe he serves Tzeentch but ultimately his actions are guided buy him unknowingly.

Ahriman believes he has chosen his own path just as Magnus once did, but he is indeed nothing more than but another pawn of the Changer of Ways. Albeit one of his most prized and favorite pawns, just like Magnus was.

But, as he raised his fist to crush the unrepentant sorcerers Magnus heard a distant , sibilant voice 'Magnusss, you would smash my pawns too readily' codex chaos - 2ed

Magnus, he's the man... Primarch.

And to be fair.

It was the Thousand Sons who destroyed themselves at Prospero. If they would have listened to Magnus and not fought. They would have been taken back to Terra. Their lack of surrendering is what caused Russ to unleash his Wolves and end them as a legion.

Even his actions in Battle of the Fang shows him to still be a leader and know the cause and effects of his actions.

Space Wolf fans should know full well that an Ultimar style SW mini empire is a bad idea for everyone.

Leman Russ started off his invasion of Prospero with turning most of the planet to a barren rock, with only Tizca being protected due to a Telekine field.

He wasn't exactly planning on taking them back unmolested.

Magnus was a douchebag before Tzeentch even entered the scene. Arihaman seems like a much more competent, and likable, leader.

Tzeentch was always guiding Magnus.

Based on their pre-Heresy portrayal, Ahriman is totally the man. Whether his actions were being dictated/influenced/guided by Tzeentchy-boy doesn't matter; Magnus had epic levels of arrogance and I found him to be quite annoying, not to mention painfully naïve. Ahriman on the other hand, his pre-Heresy portayal is much more likeable. Sure, he had his arrogance (but then, all Thousand Sons were arrogant. Hell, all Astartes were arrogant), but his arrogance was tempered somewhat with enough humility and humanity to make him a decent enough chap.

And, as mentioned previously in this thread, at least he's actually out and about doing things. And as the question is specifically about who we would choose to follow, I'd pick the slightly more likeable, actively campaigning fella.

EDITED for spelling.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Tzeentch was always guiding Magnus.

Tzeentch was guiding Magnus via his inherent douchyness. That was the proverbial "chink in Mangus armor".

 el_groovatore wrote:
Based on their pre-Heresy portrayal, Ahriman is totally the man. Whether his actions were being dictated/influenced/guided by Tzeentchy-boy doesn't matter; Magnus had epic levels of arrogance and I found him to be quite annoying, not to mention painfully naïve. Ahriman on the other hand, his pre-Heresy portayal is much more likeable. Sure, he had his arrogance (but then, all Thousand Sons were arrogant. Hell, all Astartes were arrogant), but his arrogance was tempered somewhat with enough humility and humanity to make him a decent enough chap.

And, as mentioned previously in this thread, at least he's actually out and about doing things. And as the question is specifically about who we would choose to follow, I'd pick the slightly more likeable, actively campaigning fella.

EDITED for spelling.

Don't forget, Ahriman is the one guy who remembers his past life and he doesn't raises him self as non human all the time (TS book), but one negative (or positive) thing about him is he's thirst for knowlege...remember that chick from the book- Ahriman didn't help...but him and Magnus should change the roles...

Ahiman present-day in the setting is nothing like the Ahriman of A Thousand Sons.

Magnus spends all his time cotching, so he's a waste of space now.

Plus he betrayed his legion to Tzeentch, thus eventually causing the Space Wolf attack.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Leman Russ started off his invasion of Prospero with turning most of the planet to a barren rock, with only Tizca being protected due to a Telekine field.

He wasn't exactly planning on taking them back unmolested.

The orbital bombardment was a non-issue. Just like when the Thousand Sons bombed Fenris. They both new that it would have little effect outside of keeping the shields up.

Also you have to remember how the Space Wolves meet others. (Its in A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns, Fear to Thread and The Emperor's Gift) They basically try and show themselves to be the big "Dog". An orbital bombardment that will not have any effect is a good way to show that you mean business. Once the Wolves made their combat drop and found the Spire Guard in parade formation it would have ended there. Well after Russ did his little dance to show everyone he's the alpha on site.

Russ, says as much to the skald on the way in. A more conventional vox would have been better but I think Russ felt it would look like he was second guessing what needed to be done. Since he believed the Skald was a direct line to Magnus he could save his image and not have to kill his brother.

It killed many of the Thousand Sons who were keeping it going, thus giving off the impression of a full-scale attack.

You are suggesting that Leman Russ is so painfully stupid as to believe his orbital bombardment could be interpreted as anything but a declaration of war.

That isn't hard to believe actually.

He's all in all the time.

Void__Dragon wrote:That isn't hard to believe actually.

That's basically Corax' responce when he hears that Russ was sent after Magnus and went to far.

It can also be viewed as a reason why the SWs were not sent to Istvaan V. Sending the wrong message of intent and or just going overboard.