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Hi there, been playing about with a few 2000pts lists, I'd love some feedback. My main worry is that I don't have enough troops, would combat squading the Assault Marines be an effective way for getting round this?

Blood Angels Primary Detachement

HQ: Librarian, Jump pack - 125pts
Elite: 5 x Assault Terminators (2 x TH/SS, 3 x LC) - 210pts
Elite: 2 x Sanguinary Priests, Jump packs - 150pts
Troops: 10 x Assault Marines, 2 x Meltaguns, Power Weapon & Melta Bombs on Sarge - 230pts
Troops: 10 x Assault Marines, 2 x Meltaguns, Power Weapon & Melta Bombs on Sarge - 230pts
Fast Attack: 2 x Landspeeders, 2 x Multi-meltas, 2 x Heavy Flamers - 140pts
Heavy Support: Stormraven, Searchlight - 201pts

Space Marine Allied Detachement

HQ: Master of the Forge, Convesion Beamer - 120pts
Troops: 10 x Sniper Scouts,Camo Cloaks, Telion - 227pts
Fast Attack: Stormtalon, TL Lascannon - 150pts
Fast Attack: Stormtalon - 130pts
Fortification: Aegis Defense Line, Icarus Lascannon - 85pts

Instead of combat squading the Assault Marines, I personally would combat squad the sniper scouts.

Also, What would you think of taking the SSLP instead of the ADL? It is 10 points cheaper and you already have plenty of anti-air in the form of your flyers.

Hi there, thanks for the feedback!

Yeah I'll probably combat squad all the troops choices as the situation dictates. If I drop the ASMs down next to a couple of juicy heavy support tanks I can split them up to better control target prioritisation (basically avoid overkill), or if there's an objective sitting way out in the flanks I can infiltrate 5 of the snipers in some terrain nearby.

I chose the ADL over the SSLP mainly because Telion firing that lascannon is too juicy to miss (2+ cover save ain't shabby either). I'll definitely look at the SSLP again, although to be honest I never want the Stormtalon's near the ground - they're a bit too fragile in my book - and taking it solely for the Stormraven might be a bit of a waste.

Gotcha, I was wondering who you would have manning the gun. Telion is a great choice! The only reason I suggest the SSLP is for the 3+ coversave (up to 2+ with your camo cloaks) and the 4+ invul. plus it can never be destroyed .

I like this list though. I run much the same thing but I use 2 Stormravens and one Stormtalon with a Libby and Scouts (give him gate of infinity) so that the scouts can claim late game objectives. Also I use HG with PG's instead of Terminators.

 Falco wrote:
Gotcha, I was wondering who you would have manning the gun. Telion is a great choice! The only reason I suggest the SSLP is for the 3+ coversave (up to 2+ with your camo cloaks) and the 4+ invul. plus it can never be destroyed .

I figure taking out my Icarus Lascannon or a Quad Gun is gonna be pretty high on my opponent's agenda, I may not get more than 1 turn of firing - better make it count!

I like this list though. I run much the same thing but I use 2 Stormravens and one Stormtalon with a Libby and Scouts (give him gate of infinity) so that the scouts can claim late game objectives. Also I use HG with PG's instead of Terminators.

I've never thought of replacing Terminators with Honour Guard...but I like the sound of it. Shame to loose the lightning claws, how do you equip yours? Libby and Scout combo sounds great too, I could swap the MoTF out and put that 20 point conversion beamer towards another HG.

Edit: Just realized you need a Chapter Master to unlock HG, not sure how I could fit him into this army. :/

 ClosetRoller wrote:

 Falco wrote:
Gotcha, I was wondering who you would have manning the gun. Telion is a great choice! The only reason I suggest the SSLP is for the 3+ coversave (up to 2+ with your camo cloaks) and the 4+ invul. plus it can never be destroyed .

I figure taking out my Icarus Lascannon or a Quad Gun is gonna be pretty high on my opponent's agenda, I may not get more than 1 turn of firing - better make it count!

I like this list though. I run much the same thing but I use 2 Stormravens and one Stormtalon with a Libby and Scouts (give him gate of infinity) so that the scouts can claim late game objectives. Also I use HG with PG's instead of Terminators.

I've never thought of replacing Terminators with Honour Guard...but I like the sound of it. Shame to loose the lightning claws, how do you equip yours? Libby and Scout combo sounds great too, I could swap the MoTF out and put that 20 point conversion beamer towards another HG.

Edit: Just realized you need a Chapter Master to unlock HG, not sure how I could fit him into this army. :/

I equip them all with Plasmaguns and either Jump Packs or a Drop Pod. I have been leaning towards the Drop Pod as of late as it is nice to have them come in turn 1. With BA you dont need a chapter master to unlock the HG, just any HQ . HG and Terminators are pretty even in my opinion....I prefer the HG because you get the "free" Sang Novitiate (BUT it really depends on how you play your BA's) and with the new psychic powers you can make them pretty nasty on the turn they land, especially with Divination.

Couple issues.

1) Telion gives your scouts stealth already, so the camo cloaks aren't necessary.

2) You only have 1 FA slot in a single allied detatchment. If you want another stormtalon, you're going to have to have another SM Detachment.


If you're using camo cloak sniper scouts, you might as well give one a ML and then get a TFC so they can have a 2+ cover save in ruins

Hi Lotus, thanks for the feedback

1) Telion's stealth and the camo cloaks cover bonus stack, so behind the aegis defense line they get a cover save of 2+

2) Yes you're absolutely right...bollocks..I'll have to restructure this, maybe make the Blood Angels the allies and the SM the primary detachment. I'll have to move the terminators and swap the stormraven for a landraider I guess :/

And completely get rid of these Vanilla smurfs? Taking already BA what C:SM will bring to the list? Just Telion and one Talon?

Stay with BA only or, if you want to add more flyers in, consider a little IG detachment. Eventually with a primary psycker for reserves bonuses.

 Toban wrote:
And completely get rid of these Vanilla smurfs? Taking already BA what C:SM will bring to the list? Just Telion and one Talon?

Stay with BA only or, if you want to add more flyers in, consider a little IG detachment. Eventually with a primary psycker for reserves bonuses.

I agree with this. With this list, BA has equivalents for most of what you are bringing C:SM. A Vanilla Librarian granting access to Null Zone is a different matter...

1) Telion's stealth and the camo cloaks cover bonus stack, so behind the aegis defense line they get a cover save of 2+

Camocloaks give you stealth not +1 cover so they don't stack as you just have stealth from 2 sources, which is redundant.

I'd say you are far from low on troops. Just about right so don't woory about combat squading the assault marines because they become useless if you do.

Swapping the Terminators for Honour Guard would allow you to legally field your army but with SMs are primary detachment and you;d have the split the scout squad in 2.

However if you want anti-air from your allies as others have said IG is the best bet by some distance.