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More support grumbles. Playing Thresh and my carry was complaining at me for hitting minions (although I didn't kill any) and standing in front of him.

First point fair enough, but we were pushing tower so I was keeping them pinned back and trying to get a grab. Second point though he was on half health so I was tanking in front and he was complaining he couldn't hit minions because of me. They were definitely trying to target the carry though rather than me and I can't use my Q from behind the carry. Maybe I was just too aggressive for them, but if I can't trim down the bigger minions or go in front of the carry to poke champions then supports not much of a role is it?! Sit in bushes and watch for 5 minutes is not really cutting it for me.

Also, if I stand back and the carry commits/enemy jungler arrives then I can't respond in time, so can't win either way!

Then the other game where our so called "expert" flamed me for not buying wards as well as a sight stone and that all pros always buy 5 wards every time they go back to fountain. You couldn't make it up could you ...

Support really is a drag most times.

If the Carry dies.. its the supports Fault
If the Carry gets ganked. Their wasn't enough Wards
You are expected to set there for the laning phase while they farm.

 ruminator wrote:
More support grumbles. Playing Thresh and my carry was complaining at me for hitting minions (although I didn't kill any) and standing in front of him.

First point fair enough, but we were pushing tower so I was keeping them pinned back and trying to get a grab. Second point though he was on half health so I was tanking in front and he was complaining he couldn't hit minions because of me. They were definitely trying to target the carry though rather than me and I can't use my Q from behind the carry. Maybe I was just too aggressive for them, but if I can't trim down the bigger minions or go in front of the carry to poke champions then supports not much of a role is it?! Sit in bushes and watch for 5 minutes is not really cutting it for me.

Also, if I stand back and the carry commits/enemy jungler arrives then I can't respond in time, so can't win either way!

Then the other game where our so called "expert" flamed me for not buying wards as well as a sight stone and that all pros always buy 5 wards every time they go back to fountain. You couldn't make it up could you ...

Ehh, it's something that you grow to ignore. Positioning is the hardest thing because if you're partnered with an ADC that you don't know (most likley case) you'll be trying to complement their style while also keeping them safe. This is something I've found that gets easier the better your ADC is. They'll know when to go in and you'll know when to save them or help them out. But because most people I end up being paired with aren't that spectacular at the position, they can get fussy when things don't go their way. My solution was to push in hard on movement speed for my supports so I can be wherever I need to be to save the ADC, throw down abilities and have the movement to get out of trouble myself incase I get focused instead. (also means I can put off buying boots until much later than I probably should)

As for wards, I feel the three wards from a ruby sightstone give you enough to put them in high-traffic areas for the current game state. There's typically a bush you can hide them in so they have to put more effort to find them with pink/oracle's. I also tend to buy two pink wards for counterwarding. When warding aggressively or preparing baron/dragon having them on hand really helps. Towards the end of the game, however, I may forgo the pink wards for just an oracle's, meaning I can go clear out wards from a critical area while my team keeps vision of it. Again, the three wards in high-traffic areas to monitor movements. Haven't gotten a complain yet... except two seconds after baron ward dies they'll start fussing at me but I've grown to expect it.

 LordofHats wrote:
Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.

Haha, I digress

Whenever I see darius/garen/riven/singed top, I counter with Nasus. There aren't enough yorick players that I can say I've versed them top yet.

Nasus's sustain is unbelievable. At level 1 you get what, 16% lifesteal? I get quints that up that to 22%, so right off the bat you have some crazy sustain.
Every game I have played against those champions, I literally ignore them while farming. Darius I can turret dive and win by lvl 6.

This last game I played against darius I beat him top lane so hard that he gave up and started roaming before his turret died. Basically Nasus is ridiculously OP. Also got a penta-kill the same game even though my team was feeding hard in a ranked match:



The only champion I have ever had trouble with is teemo, just because teemo pretty much counters ever top laner.

I only recently started playing properly in order to get ready for Insomnia LAN and I normally play as Ashe.
I find that with the right build she can do tons of damage in a short space of time.
last game I went 12/1/7 as Ashe in 5v5.

 The Bringer wrote:
The only champion I have ever had trouble with is teemo, just because teemo pretty much counters ever top laner.

Not really, teemo just is ridiculously good against top laners that don't have gap closers. So he counters Garen, Tryn and Nasus pretty hard since he can harass and outrun all three of those champs ridiculously well. I studied the idea of teemo top for a while. He's a beast until you come across a gap closer like Jax or a B.S. passive like Pantheon. (seriously, you can't touch the guy!)

In the incredibly rare case that I do play in top lane, I've just taken to playing Yorick. I can see how he would counter Nasus just by constant harass while farming. You honestly can't do anything to stop it, I'll just puke ghouls on you all day until you can't safely farm and maintain your sustain. I may not immediately push you out of lane, but by the end of the laning phase I should have made you hate your life.

 The Bringer wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.

Haha, I digress

Whenever I see darius/garen/riven/singed top, I counter with Nasus. There aren't enough yorick players that I can say I've versed them top yet.

Nasus's sustain is unbelievable. At level 1 you get what, 16% lifesteal? I get quints that up that to 22%, so right off the bat you have some crazy sustain.
Every game I have played against those champions, I literally ignore them while farming. Darius I can turret dive and win by lvl 6.

This last game I played against darius I beat him top lane so hard that he gave up and started roaming before his turret died. Basically Nasus is ridiculously OP. Also got a penta-kill the same game even though my team was feeding hard in a ranked match:


The only champion I have ever had trouble with is teemo, just because teemo pretty much counters ever top laner.

Sorry, I have to agree with the first post. Nasus simply can't go toe-to-toe with most bruisers top until at least lvl 6 (without help jungle help anyway). A decent Nasus however, does actually counter Yorick. You get free lifesteal and Q-farm from his gouls.

I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.

I am maximum Soraka.

My screen name is aosol if you'd like to add my badness.

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:

I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.

Although I have not tried jungle Nasus, it is viable, and quite effective.

As a jungler, I regularly get more farm than any other lane in the game. The jungle camps is just what Nasus needs to farm his Q. Free farm, and plenty of it. On the ganks, while Nasus might not be as strong as some, he is still quite effective because his wither is effectively exhaust but better.

Anyone else as excited for the ARAM matchmaking thats on the way?

They are doing the Howling Abyss map, a Frozen Proving Grounds, and are releasing Lyssandra ( <- Rumor), a Sejuani revamp, and another Ashe Skin if all the rumors are true.

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.

Jungle Nasus is pretty sick. One of the more popular jungles being run in the LCS these days. You farm in the jungle, leveling up your Q like nobody's business and suddenly you ghost out into a lane, wither some poor sap and brain them with your Q while your teammates pile on.

 Slarg232 wrote:
... a Sejuani revamp ...

Sej was my first, but I can't really bring myself to play her at the moment. Excited to hear some oopmh might come her way

- Salvage

THey've really only thrown around buzzwords about her; remapping power, people didn't think she felt like she should play., stuf flike that.

I'm still waiting for my first to be shown some love. Hell Riot has completely forgotten about him. They even said they want to make a quadropalegic missle shooting robot in a recent thread :(

YotsubaSnake wrote:

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.

Jungle Nasus is pretty sick. One of the more popular jungles being run in the LCS these days. You farm in the jungle, leveling up your Q like nobody's business and suddenly you ghost out into a lane, wither some poor sap and brain them with your Q while your teammates pile on.

I've tried jungle Nasus a few times and my only complaint is how SLOW he seems to be at jungling. His passive gives him a little bit of healing, but nothing like Nunu or Nocturne. Still, late game that Q hits like a monster truck.

Slarg232 wrote:Anyone else as excited for the ARAM matchmaking thats on the way?

They are doing the Howling Abyss map, a Frozen Proving Grounds, and are releasing Lyssandra ( <- Rumor), a Sejuani revamp, and another Ashe Skin if all the rumors are true.

Wait wait wait... will I be able to get my daily win from ARAM? I freaking LOVE ARAM. Nice break from seeing mostly the same champs over and over again.

Slarg232 wrote:THey've really only thrown around buzzwords about her; remapping power, people didn't think she felt like she should play., stuf flike that.

I'm still waiting for my first to be shown some love. Hell Riot has completely forgotten about him. They even said they want to make a quadropalegic missle shooting robot in a recent thread :(

Urgot I'm guessing? I love to play Urgot, but he just really can't keep up as an ADC anymore. :( Still, I like to come up with silly concept teams and a team of him, Battlecast Cho, Full Metal Jayce, Mecha Kha'Zix and maybe Full Metal Rammus would be kind of hilarious to see.

 streamdragon wrote:

YotsubaSnake wrote:

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
I know nothing about jungle Nasus though. At least not from experience.

Jungle Nasus is pretty sick. One of the more popular jungles being run in the LCS these days. You farm in the jungle, leveling up your Q like nobody's business and suddenly you ghost out into a lane, wither some poor sap and brain them with your Q while your teammates pile on.

I've tried jungle Nasus a few times and my only complaint is how SLOW he seems to be at jungling. His passive gives him a little bit of healing, but nothing like Nunu or Nocturne. Still, late game that Q hits like a monster truck.

That's his major weakness, which is why majority of them take ghost/smite as summoner's spells. You need that ghost to catch the ADC or you will be absolutely useless in battle as you get kited every which way.

There are two ways to play Nasus in late game: As a split-pusher or a sweeper.

To split push you use Teleport instead of Ghost. You build a little more off tanky. You push a lane opposite the map of the rest of your team, forcing the enemy team to split or let you have the tower (generally unless hard countered which in late game is usually not much of a problem for Nasus, no one can 1v1 a stacked q). This also allows Nasus to either teleport into a team fight, or come back from death and quickly teleport to the front of a lane to kill a tower.

To sweep you're job is basically to be a hard tank, survive the team fight and then use Ghost, Wither, and Siphon strike to finish off any enemies that survived the fight then push the lane and quickly kill a tower.

Generally sweeper Nasus will be what you use unless you're team has coordinated to make Split-pushing practical and some teams just do not allow for a member to be off pushing a second lane.

Carrying an entire game with Sona, mass-buying pink wards to counter Akali, dealing more damage to champions than Mordekaiser (dear god), letting your adc freefarm early game, save your teammates for god how many times...not even getting commends.

I hate people.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Carrying an entire game with Sona, mass-buying pink wards to counter Akali, dealing more damage to champions than Mordekaiser (dear god), letting your adc freefarm early game, save your teammates for god how many times...not even getting commends.

I hate people.

Supports are the unsung heroes of the game. As someone who primarily plays support in ranked, I find that it is a thankless job, but that is because your successes are much more intangible than any other position. Actively warding makes your team feel comfortable and understand where the opposition is at all times. Unless you've lit up an obscene area, they won't actually notice until they all die out and yell at you to ward baron even though you know they are there and you'll probably die doing it.

My favorite barometer for success though is how well your ADC is doing. Did you support them well? If you did, they should be comfortably fed/farmed and ready to help the team once the laning phase ends. You can't stop them from making mistakes, but you can save them after the fact, preventing a death from their ignorance.The only time you do get recognition is when your ADC understands the quality of laning support you can give. They are usually the only ones who honor me these days, but that's because they know they couldn't have gotten as fed as they were without me.

 YotsubaSnake wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Carrying an entire game with Sona, mass-buying pink wards to counter Akali, dealing more damage to champions than Mordekaiser (dear god), letting your adc freefarm early game, save your teammates for god how many times...not even getting commends.

I hate people.

Supports are the unsung heroes of the game. As someone who primarily plays support in ranked, I find that it is a thankless job, but that is because your successes are much more intangible than any other position. Actively warding makes your team feel comfortable and understand where the opposition is at all times. Unless you've lit up an obscene area, they won't actually notice until they all die out and yell at you to ward baron even though you know they are there and you'll probably die doing it.

My favorite barometer for success though is how well your ADC is doing. Did you support them well? If you did, they should be comfortably fed/farmed and ready to help the team once the laning phase ends. You can't stop them from making mistakes, but you can save them after the fact, preventing a death from their ignorance.The only time you do get recognition is when your ADC understands the quality of laning support you can give. They are usually the only ones who honor me these days, but that's because they know they couldn't have gotten as fed as they were without me.

There should be more players like you. We must play a game sometime.

Just checking out the Trundle rework, and pretty thrilled to play the troll again. Though I guess less because his in game mechanics are changing too much, more because the skins are soooo much better Call me shallow but somewhat limited play style + bad skins were killing it for me ... so I switched to Headhunter Nida But will be happy to be back.

Also find it funny that two of my favorite champs, both of whom I moved on from, are getting redone together

- Salvage

I totally agree, and I love this rework/plot advancement/ theme campaign they've got going on with the ice lich... I mean witch, sejuani and trundle. She looks unabashedly evil and inhuman, which is a wonderful thing in a spellcaster.

Approve of the new Sejuani model. First thing I thought when I saw her artwork was "why is someone from a frozen wasteland wearing a bikini." I mean, Ashe pushes it too but at least she wearing a cowl and cloak over that skirt.

I know ive been really Enjoying Taric.

Stun = Heal to help your ADC alot.

I i really enjoy how tanky you can be with taking all support items.


I had a Udyr try to gank me 1v1 while the adc was back.. i was tanky enough he had no chance of a successful gank, we were about even on life when i moved back.

I really want to get Nami now i think, she looks like she could be fun.

 Spyder68 wrote:
I really want to get Nami now i think, she looks like she could be fun.

As someone who mainly supports as Nami, she is an absolute blast. She has everything I like in a support kit: a good snare, a heal, a attack buff and a game changing ultimate. Also, her passive is ridiculously helpful. She's definitely underrated and increcdibly dangerous in the right hands.

 LordofHats wrote:
Approve of the new Sejuani model. First thing I thought when I saw her artwork was "why is someone from a frozen wasteland wearing a bikini." I mean, Ashe pushes it too but at least she wearing a cowl and cloak over that skirt.

It looks nice but taric, blitz and Yi need a model remake more.

Blitz, Nunu, and Ali I think all need a remake. Their walking animations are painful to watch sometimes XD

Stay away from my duckfooted Blitz!

The only thing I would change with blitz is to make his grab animation match his grab more accurately, meaning there's none of this barely touching them yet not grabbing them BS happening.

A new Taric model would be great.. But skins help with that.

I just dont want a rework/ability change..

Sadly.. Karma didnt get much better from playing them post changes.

Just had a fast, fun game with Bunnygirl Riven. Went top, got a double kill, got the Sword of the Occult, killed another three, got the Ionian Boots of Furor, killed a bunch more, got a Bloodthirster and started no-selling turrets.