The Games Workshop Hobby, I gotta admit it, I'm out. The prices got to me.

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**Talizvar**

cincydooley wrote:
And yet you won't play the game that they're still supporting because you got tabled?

If it was a one time affair, what you say would be correct. I suspect it was more than that.

Your logic is mind blowing, my man.

There was no real logic being applied there it was as he admitted a "feeling" you know, those strange things in your head that make you play against all the logic of investing that money for your retirement or paying off debt.

Additionally, I have plenty of college debt from 4 years of private undergrad and 2 years of private graduate work and am married to a woman we've paid cash to put through $22k grad school, so you're not alone there.

Not sure with all the game systems you support that is a good statement of priorities. You guys should PM later and compare income...

Honestly. Had you not come off as a whiny complainer that you beat and quit (I mean, it sounds like you basically rage quit 40k) it would have been a lot easier to take anything you say seriously.

You say a horde of nasty stuff and seem to expect us to take you seriously.... but we love you anyways.

If I rage quit, I am sure I could find a few suitable people to sell to in this forum.

**cincydooley**

He specifically mentioned that the Wraithknight has led to him being tabled (which never happens) which led to him quitting the game.

I'm not the one complaining about being priced out of 40k am I? And thats not because i have infinite fonts of money; i certainly don't. But i am able to budget for the things I do want to purchase. My priorities are just fine, thanks.

**Adam LongWalker**

Don’t believe me it doesn’t matter, at all. All it honestly takes is enough people just like me to give up and throw in the towel. I am a big fan of 40k. I have a 40k servo skull tattoo to prove it. I have been playing since 3rd. I can’t anymore justify the expenditure of cash to play a game that doesn’t equal fun anymore to me. I have a higher than average income for America according to recent surveys and I can’t afford to pay for a new army without considering a loan. I bought my first 500 points for less then 100$ including codex. Now you can’t buy 500 points for that at all. I met my best friends playing this game. One of them quit after he had played for 20 years the other is barely playing. I cant force myself to sell my Krieg, Orks, or DA but I packed them up after FOB and placed them in storage. I started looking for new games to get my wargaming fix. Call me a complainer all you want you clearly have no idea how business works. If no one complains then companies assume what they are doing is what people want. Its simple and if you think I am joking I will PM you the number to the purchasing department of a major surgical hospital and you ask that guy (he is me).

Naa you are not a complainer at all. Similar situation. Have fists full of money. Been modeling for 40+ years. Love the 40K lore but I absolutely dislike upper corporate management. It is their decision to (potentially) price themselves out of business in order for short term game. Regardless what the white knights will say. This game is expensive for the average person to get started. It is getting harder for the average person who is in the GW hobby to stay in the GW hobby. And that is the problem that is shown in the current GW Financial report.

You just have to sift through the +50 pages of voodoo accounting and mummified dry material (that will suck the life out of you for a day or so) to get the current answer for that fiscal year.

**Elemental**

cincydooley wrote:
Honestly. Had you not come off as a whiny complainer that you beat and quit (I mean, it sounds like you basically rage quit 40k) it would have been a lot easier to take anything you say seriously.

Reading between the lines a little (not meaning to put words in your mouth, Devoted), it sounds like his enjoyment of the game had been deteriorating for a while, and that battle and what it suggested about the direction of 40K (codex creep, "new hotness" models required to compete) was the straw that broke the camel's back.

**Herzlos**

Yeah, it reads like his problem is not that he was beaten, but because he feels that no-one has any real chance of a fair game against the new super-units.

He was doing well enough to place in a tournament, but was tabled by turn 2 due to a superunit. Which he then used in 3 games severely handicapped and still won.

His complaint isn't that he lost, it's that the new units are grossly overpowered and that takes all the fun out of it, as if you see your opponent has one in their list, you know you're going to be spending the next hour putting your figures back in the case.

It's not rage quitting, it's disliking the current direction.

**Davylove21**

The problem for many of us is the fact that we can remember buying a Space Marine battleforce for £40 and it wasn't that long ago.

**loki old fart**

Davylove21 wrote:
The problem for many of us is the fact that we can remember buying a Space Marine battleforce for £40 and it wasn't that long ago.

The problem is for many, they've been having a love affair with games Workshop. And she's turned round and said "Your not what I'm looking for, I'm seeing someone else".

**mattyrm**

loki old fart wrote:
Davylove21 wrote:
The problem for many of us is the fact that we can remember buying a Space Marine battleforce for £40 and it wasn't that long ago.

The problem is for many, they've been having a love affair with games Workshop. And she's turned round and said "Your not what I'm looking for, I'm seeing someone else".

I remember getting some metal terminators for a quid each! Its more like I was having a love affair with GW, and then I got the early flight home and caught her being tag teamed by my old man and my grandpa!

**fishy bob**

mattyrm wrote:
loki old fart wrote:
Davylove21 wrote:
The problem for many of us is the fact that we can remember buying a Space Marine battleforce for £40 and it wasn't that long ago.

The problem is for many, they've been having a love affair with games Workshop. And she's turned round and said "Your not what I'm looking for, I'm seeing someone else".

I remember getting some metal terminators for a quid each! Its more like I was having a love affair with GW, and then I got the early flight home and caught her being tag teamed by my old man and my grandpa!

I think it's more like having a love affair with GW and then marrying her

**Talizvar**

fishy bob wrote:
I think it's more like having a love affair with GW and then marrying her

More truth there than most would like to admit...
I remember some saying around the line of:

A man(customer) marries a woman(GW) hoping she does not change, a woman(GW) sees the potential in a man(customer) and tries to change him: neither gets what they want.

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cincydooley wrote:
I'm not the one complaining about being priced out of 40k am I? And thats not because i have infinite fonts of money; i certainly don't. But i am able to budget for the things I do want to purchase. My priorities are just fine, thanks.

Agreed, 40k is a sufficient priority to you that you do not complain about being priced out. Do not fail to let us know when your threshold is reached.
I am irritated that the Khorn mower was my first balking at the price of a model I wanted but I am still good for most other stuff.

**loki old fart**

Talizvar wrote:
fishy bob wrote:
I think it's more like having a love affair with GW and then marrying her

More truth there than most would like to admit...
I remember some saying around the line of:

A man(customer) marries a woman(GW) hoping she does not change, a woman(GW) sees the potential in a man(customer) and tries to change him: neither gets what they want.

More than that.
Some one said why can't they just quit. Why do they come on dakka, and tell everybody.
Well when you've just split up in a long time relationship, you tend to tell your m8s.
When the love affair with GW ends, you tell dakka.
For some the dakka community is the closest thing to friends they have.
Some people have had a longer relationship with GW, than their wife/girlfriend.
So you can be supportive or take the P*ss.

**keezus**

The best part about the 40k setting was the sandbox approach you could take to building your models.

With the death of bits sellers, the cost to kitbash large kits together is ludicrously expensive... in the $100's of dollars expensive, considering that most large kits are $75-$85 in these neck of the woods. There's always trading, but it isn't always possible to trade for hull/body parts, and many of the most sought after weapons are nearly impossible to trade for.

Even at 20% off, web purchase, I can't justify it, even though I can easily afford it.

**Talizvar**

loki old fart wrote:
More than that.
Some one said why can't they just quit. Why do they come on dakka, and tell everybody.
Well when you've just split up in a long time relationship, you tend to tell your m8s.
When the love affair with GW ends, you tell dakka.
For some the dakka community is the closest thing to friends they have.
Some people have had a longer relationship with GW, than their wife/girlfriend.
So you can be supportive or take the P*ss.

Thanks for taking that further, a good and mature way of looking at it.

Not sure I would like to point out to my wife I have a longer relationship with GW than her (which is true), she may say "challenge accepted" and you all will be seeing my stuff on ebay followed by her ipad and all her books... it would be ugly.

We keep turning to logic looking for supporting evidence, it really boils down to a feeling - take it or leave it.

**cincydooley**

Talizvar wrote:
Agreed, 40k is a sufficient priority to you that you do not complain about being priced out. Do not fail to let us know when your threshold is reached.
I am irritated that the Khorn mower was my first balking at the price of a model I wanted but I am still good for most other stuff.

I think the Khorne mower is too expensive for the size of the kit. Plus I don't play or have any interest in playing Chaos.

I won't be buying one.

I think the Wraithknight is fairly appropriately priced for the size, but is still expensive. I own one. I won't be purchasing another "on a whim" like I might if it were less expensive. I'll simply plan on when I'm spending that money.

Truth be told, buying new wargaming kits has taken a back seat, in general, lately to saving for family planning, paying for my wife's graduate school (again, in cash), and gun sports.

I'm pretty tempted to get some of the new Lizardmen kits though. I think they look just peachy. But we'll see if there's anything else I'd rather spend my budgeted discretionary income on (we may put in wood floors at the house; not sure yet).

Oh, all the while I've been able to play both 40k and Fantasy with models I already have without being or feeling priced out.

**Spacemanvic**

Emperor Protect!

I've known GW at least 10 years longer than Ive known my wife!

I'll say this:
GW was less expensive

But life with my wife has been more fun.

**Talizvar**

“The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

**Capt. Camping**

I try not to buy any GW stuff as possible. I use Mantic for minis specially troops and eliets. Avatars of War is good too.

And for paints and washes I use Vallejo, P3, Folk Art, Secret Weapons and Army painter.

**Spacemanvic**

Talizvar wrote:

“The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

Nietzsche went after his sister. Yuck!

But I agree with the quote

**Alfndrate**

Spacemanvic wrote:
Talizvar wrote:

“The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

Nietzsche went after his sister. Yuck!

But I agree with the quote

relatives are the most dangerous forbidden plaything...

**Talizvar**

Spacemanvic wrote:
Nietzsche went after his sister. Yuck!
But I agree with the quote

I think you misunderstood of how he went after her: she forged many documents of his, manipulated him and modified his works to look like he supported the Nazis his relationship with her was not as "positive" as you state.
No works I have seen said he was interested in his sister (would be interested if you could point to something though!).
The person he was most interested in was "Lou von Salomé" she was of a similar mind as him and he offered multiple offers of marriage.
He was a guy prone to depression but he had a scary way of cutting through BS which I am grateful for so I quote him often... I will apologize now.

**Spacemanvic**

Alfndrate wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
Talizvar wrote:

“The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

Nietzsche went after his sister. Yuck!

But I agree with the quote

relatives are the most dangerous forbidden plaything...

Forbidden nothing, you mean gross. Unless youre from West Virginia...

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Talizvar wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
Nietzsche went after his sister. Yuck!
But I agree with the quote

I think you misunderstood of how he went after her: she forged many documents of his, manipulated him and modified his works to look like he supported the Nazis his relationship with her was not as "positive" as you state.
No works I have seen said he was interested in his sister (would be interested if you could point to something though!).
The person he was most interested in was "Lou von Salomé" she was of a similar mind as him and he offered multiple offers of marriage.
He was a guy prone to depression but he had a scary way of cutting through BS which I am grateful for so I quote him often... I will apologize now.

Nietzsche last book "My sister and I" detailed some of the incestuous relationship he had with his sister. It was written right after his mental collapse though.

Anyway, back on topic: GW, the company ya hate to love (or love to hate). While I most likely will not be buying any current models, I will be buying the new Spacehulk for PC and probably droid.

**Talizvar**

Spacemanvic wrote:
Nietzsche last book "My sister and I" detailed some of the incestuous relationship he had with his sister. It was written right after his mental collapse though.

That has been argued since his sister had full access and rights to his works and it had been claimed (repeatedly) that she had edited choice areas of his work to her own ends. MANY people better than me have argued this out so your statement is understandable.

Anyway, back on topic: GW, the company ya hate to love (or love to hate). While I most likely will not be buying any current models, I will be buying the new Spacehulk for PC and probably droid.

PC space hulk could be fun, liked all other turn based GW stuff...

**the_trooper**

I just use my EBT card to buy figs. I have no idea why you guys are complaining about price.

**Easy E**

I haven't bought anything GW for about 2 years. Prior to that, I bought a couple of WFB Unit boxes for kit-bashing into Blood Bowl teams. I also stopped playing 40K after they invalidated the armies in the Eye of Terror Codex. I had been a loyal customer since 1986.

I mostly stopped because of price, growing army size, and the lack of players with a similar mindset to my own warped views of Wargaming as a collaborative act.

Instead, I have done two things:
1. Learned to make what I needed to play- Sculpt, Scratchbuild, Mold, etc.
2. Created my own games that I did want to play.

A bit of an extreme reaction.

**newbis**

It wasn't just the price increases that has killed my enthusiasm for GW, particularly for 40K. I can't stand 6th. It's a bunch of rolling dice just to be rolling dice. Stuff happens "just cuz." So, price increases and GW's attitude about their customers and competitors, along with the price increase and 6th has killed my interest. I've sold off over 3K points of stuff in the last six months, and I'll probably drop more.

**sennacherib**

my interest in the hobby has been dying . Mostly this is due to the inability of GW to balance the game, and the price. Buying into games like 7 wonders, Last Night on Earth, Race for the Galaxy and others cost what buying one of the smaller kits cost from 40k. Each is a standalone game that is easy to teach and play with my friends. Each Lends a unique experience of its own, and provides hours of fun without the need to constantly invest in the newest codex, newest overpowered figures etc.

The only things that these games lack are the modeling opportunities and (forgive me for saying it) the cinematic experience of massed battle that 40k lends. I enjoy playing 40k with my friends but the time I have to invest and the money is being quickly surpassed by the quicker cheaper thrills other games offer.

**Rainbow Dash**

keezus wrote:
The best part about the 40k setting was the sandbox approach you could take to building your models.

With the death of bits sellers, the cost to kitbash large kits together is ludicrously expensive... in the $100's of dollars expensive, considering that most large kits are $75-$85 in these neck of the woods. There's always trading, but it isn't always possible to trade for hull/body parts, and many of the most sought after weapons are nearly impossible to trade for.

Even at 20% off, web purchase, I can't justify it, even though I can easily afford it.

Indeed...guard are popular... I am hoping that is my ace when I go to try and build my Dominion Tank Police army

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newbis wrote:
It wasn't just the price increases that has killed my enthusiasm for GW, particularly for 40K. I can't stand 6th. It's a bunch of rolling dice just to be rolling dice. Stuff happens "just cuz." So, price increases and GW's attitude about their customers and competitors, along with the price increase and 6th has killed my interest. I've sold off over 3K points of stuff in the last six months, and I'll probably drop more.

While I refuse to play 6th, I decided, with people I know, to basically make a kitbash of 40k rules and codexes
not sure how it'll work but that's half the fun really

**Spacemanvic**

Im the same with Rainbbow Dash.

I'll stick with 4th or 5th edition rules, and use the models I have. IF GW ever brings the price of their models down to what I consider a realistic price, then I'll bite. I am not GW's market, and they are not my vendor, it's called a free market.

Until then, I own the models, the rules, and a table with enough terrain to keep myself and my kids busy for a while.

After 25 years, my enthusiasm wanes from time to time for GW/40k. But, I was finally able to divorce one from the other and while I detest the one (GW's corporate entity), I cant seem to separate myself from the other (40k) that I've attached a quarter century of my existence to.

**Glenmorray**

Man I love 6th, and the prices are no biggie. All other hobbies are simile expensive.

I love the new scenery, miniatures, and new codex releases. I think GW are doing a fan blooming-tastic-job.

Guess I'm a fan boi now...

**Azreal13**

Glenmorray wrote:
Man I love 6th, and the prices are no biggie. All other hobbies are simile expensive.

I love the new scenery, miniatures, and new codex releases. I think GW are doing a fan blooming-tastic-job.

Guess I'm a fan boi now...

It depends in how you mean that prices are no biggie.

If you mean that you still feel you get value for money for your purchases, and have sufficient disposable income to buy the things you want without beggaring yourself and your family, then no, you're not a fan boy, you just have a high pain threshold.

If you genuinely cannot see that some products (not all, I still think there are one or two items that represent at least a degree of value) are so crazily over-priced for what they offer (cough *Dire Avengers* cough) then there is no hope for you, and thanks for flagging that early in your Dakka career!