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So, in the fluff, the big ork receives a vision to turn the galaxy into a permanent waaugh. There will be valhallanesque endless combat everywhere - just what orks want. Remaking the galaxy into the ork idea of paradise becomes the holy quest. The prophet then leads them to Armageddon, which is a pretty good start for trying to embroil the galaxy in permanent warfare.

But then he leaves? It is said that he was getting so frustrated with his lack of victory on Armageddon, that he started opening up a wider front - not for the purpose of spreading warfare more places, but so that he would stretch the Imperium so thin that they would lose at Armageddon. Put another way, by his personal actions, Mag Uruk Thraka showed that what wasn't important was eternal conflict (which he would have had, if he had stayed on Armageddon), but what was important was WINNING, not FIGHTING.

Does this make Thraka a false prophet? If it's not about krumpin' but about something else, it seems like he's lost the very essence of what his prophetic vision was attempting to accomplish in the first place. He sort of looks like a sell-out that's doing things for personal reasons, rather than the greater goal as established.

I mean, the orks will still pile in after him because he's got a great scrap set up, but still...

MIND BLOW

The fact that so many Orks believe he is the prophet makes him the prophet. Ork belief system and all that.

He also managed to unite so many Orks and that's almost unheard of since before the Horus Heresy if I recall correctly. When he left he left Armageddon in constant state of war which is exactly what it says in the codex, that he wanted to create never ending war.

 Ailaros wrote:
So, in the fluff, the big ork receives a vision to turn the galaxy into a permanent waaugh. There will be valhallanesque endless combat everywhere - just what orks want. Remaking the galaxy into the ork idea of paradise becomes the holy quest. The prophet then leads them to Armageddon, which is a pretty good start for trying to embroil the galaxy in permanent warfare.

But then he leaves? It is said that he was getting so frustrated with his lack of victory on Armageddon, that he started opening up a wider front - not for the purpose of spreading warfare more places, but so that he would stretch the Imperium so thin that they would lose at Armageddon. Put another way, by his personal actions, Mag Uruk Thraka showed that what wasn't important was eternal conflict (which he would have had, if he had stayed on Armageddon), but what was important was WINNING, not FIGHTING.

Does this make Thraka a false prophet? If it's not about krumpin' but about something else, it seems like he's lost the very essence of what his prophetic vision was attempting to accomplish in the first place. He sort of looks like a sell-out that's doing things for personal reasons, rather than the greater goal as established.

I mean, the orks will still pile in after him because he's got a great scrap set up, but still...

considering Ghazzy is one of the oldest, craziest and most unpreditable Ork Warbosses in 40k history at this time, creating the tellyporta shock troops being a big one. Ghazzy's plan is to engulf the entire galaxy in war like you said, he actually shows signs of being too smart for any normal Ork. he realizes battle lines and supplies, he left because the Imperium is now invested in Armageddon and once it fails the orks will have a nearly unlimited war on their hands, until then Ghazzy will give the boyz everything he promised and more but he knows for himself and his own personal boyz the only way to continue the Waaagh and keep it conducive will be to ensure Armageddon remains such a massive war effort that no side and pull its troops out and only able to fight the orks to a stand still.

While the IOM is grid lock Ghazzy and start new waaaghs in new sectors constantly making mischief. to me this is more a Kunnin Boss than an Ork blashpeming agains Gork and Mork. After all Gork and Mork Represent Brutal & cunning leaders... or was is Cunning yet brutal? I always forget

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:but he knows for himself and his own personal boyz the only way to continue the Waaagh and keep it conducive will be to ensure Armageddon remains such a massive war effort that no side and pull its troops out and only able to fight the orks to a stand still.

Right, and if he has victory at Armageddon, well, the fight would stop, wouldn't it. The point would be to create an eternal stalemate. Doing things for the purpose of victory is ultimately counterproductive to this end.

 Ailaros wrote:

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:but he knows for himself and his own personal boyz the only way to continue the Waaagh and keep it conducive will be to ensure Armageddon remains such a massive war effort that no side and pull its troops out and only able to fight the orks to a stand still.

Right, and if he has victory at Armageddon, well, the fight would stop, wouldn't it. The point would be to create an eternal stalemate. Doing things for the purpose of victory is ultimately counterproductive to this end.

If Armageddon is broken the IOM supply lines are destroyed this would be the "give orks an inch they will take the galaxy" analogy you hear sometimes. Armageddon is the start of a unified waaaagh it would mark a waaagh more effective than any in history and draw orks from all banners and clan even ones who hate thraka because it would mark the turning of the tides and the IOM would no long have the ability to have pro-acted sieges. In other words if Arma fails no planet is ever going to be at the same strength it was and this is too damn appealing to orks, or at least Ghazzy. He sees it as a domino effect, the trick is getting that first one to tip when the Imperium is fighting so damned hard to keep it.