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In their profile it says A1 (A2 for the champion).
In their wargear it says bolt pistol and close combat weapon!

Why it is not A2 and A3 for champion?

Typo or just for sake of confusing?

Because bonus attacks are not included in the profile (Usually).

So this lets you know they have 1 attack for the purposes of any attack characteristic checks they would need to make.

All of the Codexes are written that way. Look at the Assault squads for Space Marines, and the sergeants for the IG platoons.

Because you may encounter things that prevent you getting any bonus's for having two weapons. I think there are some rules out there.
If it's in your profile you don't interact with the rules very well.

It also means the new zerkers suck - from A3 / 4 on the charge, usually, to A2 / 4 on the charge. Given the nerf to FC even the points reduction isnt enough

Mark of Khorne doesn't give extra attacks anymore

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It also means the new zerkers suck - from A3 / 4 on the charge, usually, to A2 / 4 on the charge. Given the nerf to FC even the points reduction isnt enough

2/4 on the charge but also a 2/3 on the defense. Not a bad trade off IMO as a zerker player. And everyone with FC got hit with the FC nerf bat. Lets not overlook the Icon allows a reroll of the assault move as well, that's the best half of fleet.

They seem to have rebalanced them for untility without completely nefing their combat potential.

I thought I read that they had Rage and Counter Attack special rules, which will keep them at A4/A3, for charge/receiving charge?

I like them better now as there less crazy good in combat.

Now if they don't kill the unit on the charge your gonna have a bad time.

 MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
I thought I read that they had Rage and Counter Attack special rules, which will keep them at A4/A3, for charge/receiving charge?

You have to pass an LD test to use Counter Attack, so it is a small nerf.

Since Rhino's got the huge cc unit nerf in 6th it really doesn't matter how much worse berzerkers got.

Stick 'em in land raiders.

Its what my Mate does


Kharn, 3 land raiders with Dozer Blades and the rest of the points on Bezerkers


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Kharn The Betrayer . =160pts

8 berzerkers, power weapon , melta bombs, icon of wrath, veterans of the long war . =205pts

Land Raider, dozer blade, extra armour. =245pts

8 berzerkers, power weapon , melta bombs, icon of wrath, veterans of the long war . =205pts

Land raider, dozer blades, extra armour. =245pts

8 berzerkers, power weapon , melta bombs, icon of wrath, veterans of the long war =205pts

Land raider, dozer blade, extra armour. =245pts

Helldrake . =170pts

Helldrake =170pts


1850 Points

The new zerkers seem a bit overpriced, and yes with the combat nerf it feels a bit hurtful buuut... I play against a lot of SM chapters....

Rolling 3's to hit, rerolling first round from Veterans of the Long War, rolling 3's to wound or maybe better depending on what buffs they have due to all the new psychic abilities and having access to the Biomancy tree, slaanshes bonus strength,etc...

The only thing I'll say is the chainaxes seem a bit overpriced, considering AP4 isn't really that amazing when most of 40k is in power armor ^_^;

But I like zerkers, I painted 25 of them and their some of my favorite models, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.

Lets not forget how amazing Kharns going to be with Zerkers, Hatred vs all armies, and so many juicy ap2 attacks!

decoste007xt wrote:
The new zerkers seem a bit overpriced, and yes with the combat nerf it feels a bit hurtful buuut... I play against a lot of SM chapters....

Rolling 3's to hit, rerolling first round from Veterans of the Long War, rolling 3's to wound or maybe better depending on what buffs they have due to all the new psychic abilities and having access to the Biomancy tree, slaanshes bonus strength,etc...

The only thing I'll say is the chainaxes seem a bit overpriced, considering AP4 isn't really that amazing when most of 40k is in power armor ^_^;

But I like zerkers, I painted 25 of them and their some of my favorite models, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.

Lets not forget how amazing Kharns going to be with Zerkers, Hatred vs all armies, and so many juicy ap2 attacks!

ewww psychic buffs on a khorne unit.

Love the broad sweeping statement that 'most' of 40k is in power armour. Sok, obviously most of the 40k races don't count, just MEQ.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It also means the new zerkers suck - from A3 / 4 on the charge, usually, to A2 / 4 on the charge. Given the nerf to FC even the points reduction isnt enough

4 attacks on a charge is nothing to sneeze at. 5 for their champ.

Fragile wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It also means the new zerkers suck - from A3 / 4 on the charge, usually, to A2 / 4 on the charge. Given the nerf to FC even the points reduction isnt enough

4 attacks on a charge is nothing to sneeze at. 5 for their champ.

They had 4 attacks on the charge previously. And then 3 attacks in subsequent combat rounds, with 4 from the Champ. Now, instead they will have 2 attacks after the first turn of combat. Combine this with the other slight nerfs to footslogging CC units including the removal of extra wounds caused to fearless units, and they just aren't as good as before.

Fragile wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It also means the new zerkers suck - from A3 / 4 on the charge, usually, to A2 / 4 on the charge. Given the nerf to FC even the points reduction isnt enough

4 attacks on a charge is nothing to sneeze at. 5 for their champ.

Whyich is what we already have, we now only get A2 in the second round of combat onwards. And we're also Ld8/9 not 10, unless we pay extra (making them more expensive than their overpriced cost before this codex) making certain psychic powers much, much worse for us, plus Doom.

Fleet allows you to pick which dice, or both, to reroll; the icon does not.

Dont you get +2A from Counterattack, as Rage replaces the usual +1?

Nah, Counterattack is just +1 attack being charged.

Ah yes, theyve cleared up the rule - previously you could get more than +1A if that was your usual assault bonus

My comment about MEQ/Power Armor was based on what I've seen locally atleast, I guess i shouldn't of made such a broad statement...

But arounnd these parts, all I see is Space Marine chapters, Necrons, and Orkz... One practically wears no armor, the other is all in power armor.. So taking the chainaxes doesn't seem like much of a deal.... No if they rended, well.. then their like genestealers

If we still had the old heavy CCW it would have been worth 3ppm. I dont have issues killing 4+ save models now, never mind paying extra for it.

Those axes are overpriced, and it is annoying that it is a very situational upgrade you nevertheelss have to model. I suspect many people just forgoing the axes, and that's a bit sad as they're very iconic Khorne thing.

Also, it would've been nice if instead of pistols this dedicated assault unit could have taken some specialised CC weapons such as power weapons or eviscerators. I think most elite assault units in this game have access to some sort of power weapons.

Also, having furious charge as standard is mostly wasted, as you have to buy the icon providing it anyway, to get the charge re-roll.

^ Agreed, I had heard rumours of big 2handed chainaxes that might be eviserator stats for an elite dedicated melee squad...

The chaos chosens are the new zerks imho, they got 2 attacks base and might field 5 power weapons and 1 heavy/special on 1 unit, a charge from those guys is more terrifying that some poor zerks

If only Chosen got something that made them seem more like Chosen... like the Fleshmetal 2+ armor save or something relevant. I was thinking of making them Slaanesh based so I can atleast be init 5 with FNP, but Rage might be better.. who knows.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If we still had the old heavy CCW it would have been worth 3ppm. I dont have issues killing 4+ save models now, never mind paying extra for it.

decoste007xt wrote:
^ Agreed, I had heard rumours of big 2handed chainaxes that might be eviserator stats for an elite dedicated melee squad...

Yeah, I miss Flesh cleavers too. +2S two handed CCWs were awesome, great trade off of 1A for +2S with no 'AP' for like 3-5 points. IRRC it was even limited to one every 3 or 5 models too.