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I'm curious about something.
The emperor was born from shamans who combined in reincarnation to avoid being eaten when transitioning into their new lives in the warp.
Horus was the champion of chaos and I was wondering has there ever been any talk of his resurrection or reincarnation from within the warp?
Wouldn't his essence fall into the warp after his death? If so couldn't he be reborn in human form if not as a daemon prince/primarch threw the will of the chaos god? (or possibly has without taking any action due to lack of stability/power to sustain him)

Am I missing something and this impossible?

The psychic bolt the Emperor used to killed Horus with certainly simply erased him from existence (a "true death" as the Ordo Malleus calls it) as an act of mercy so he couldn't be brought back by Chaos.

 Harriticus wrote:
The psychic bolt the Emperor used to killed Horus with certainly simply erased him from existence (a "true death" as the Ordo Malleus calls it) as an act of mercy so he couldn't be brought back by Chaos.

Wow I totally didn't know that thanks alot for clearing that up for me.

 Harriticus wrote:
The psychic bolt the Emperor used to killed Horus with certainly simply erased him from existence (a "true death" as the Ordo Malleus calls it) as an act of mercy so he couldn't be brought back by Chaos.

Is that recent info - I recall the old fluff about the Black Legion trying to clone Horus body and recereate him but this was IIRC stopped by the other remnants of the Legions.........but this may have all been changed / forgotten

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
The psychic bolt the Emperor used to killed Horus with certainly simply erased him from existence (a "true death" as the Ordo Malleus calls it) as an act of mercy so he couldn't be brought back by Chaos.

Is that recent info - I recall the old fluff about the Black Legion trying to clone Horus body and recereate him but this was IIRC stopped by the other remnants of the Legions.........but this may have all been changed / forgotten

Ehhh, it's not that new. 3rd edition at the latest? The other legions still tried to clone Horus, but it would of been just that, a clone. But yea, the Emperor psy bolted Horus and utterly obliterated his soul.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
The psychic bolt the Emperor used to killed Horus with certainly simply erased him from existence (a "true death" as the Ordo Malleus calls it) as an act of mercy so he couldn't be brought back by Chaos.

Is that recent info - I recall the old fluff about the Black Legion trying to clone Horus body and recereate him but this was IIRC stopped by the other remnants of the Legions.........but this may have all been changed / forgotten

they still did iirc but they would lack his soul but would be physical copies, but then Abaddon stomped them out

It was Fabius Bile who stole the body of Horus and tried to clone him (I think he did manage to make a clone, which was killed not sure on that one though), Abaddon wanted to be Warmaster because he thought Horus weak for losing so he attacked the Emperors Children and got the body back. But as other people have stated, Horus was utterly destroyed by The Emperors so that he couldn't be reborn.

Yup, he was completely erased from existance.

Its the only way Daemons and Psykers can actually be killed. Otherwise they can/just come back. of course most psykers end up getting eaten by Daemons and don't have a chance to reincarnate.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yup, he was completely erased from existance.

Its the only way Daemons and Psykers can actually be killed. Otherwise they can/just come back. of course most psykers end up getting eaten by Daemons and don't have a chance to reincarnate.

That or you can shunt them into a Tessaract Labyrinth and leave them to gather dust.

Iranna.

 Iranna wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yup, he was completely erased from existance.

Its the only way Daemons and Psykers can actually be killed. Otherwise they can/just come back. of course most psykers end up getting eaten by Daemons and don't have a chance to reincarnate.

That or you can shunt them into a Tessaract Labyrinth and leave them to gather dust.

Iranna.

Ahhh, but being in a Tessaract doesn't technically kill you

The way I always like to look at is this:

Reincarnation is possible in 40k.

Horus was KILLED, mind body and soul...

But if a memory of him lives on (which it does) is he truly dead? If there is still something that is Horus in the warp, his memory, his ideals, his corruption, is he really dead?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

The memory of his existance is not enough to bring him back. You actually have to have his actual soul, or pieces of it anyway, to do that. The Emperor totally destroyed that. Only his body was left behind.

Even if he did make his everliving or we be back roll, there would be no mortal form (body) that is comparable to a primarch body, so even if he could come back it would be as a normal space marine at best, if it was warp created then couldnt he only exsist outside of the warp in places where the warp was overlapping or for short periods?.

 Thamor wrote:
It was Fabius Bile who stole the body of Horus and tried to clone him (I think he did manage to make a clone, which was killed not sure on that one though), Abaddon wanted to be Warmaster because he thought Horus weak for losing so he attacked the Emperors Children and got the body back. But as other people have stated, Horus was utterly destroyed by The Emperors so that he couldn't be reborn.

Heh, if Abbadon thought Horus weak for losing, the Warp only knows how he looks at himself in the mirror every morning.

Just on a little side-note, I´ve always thought that an Eldar soul always goes to Slaanesh once he/she dies (minues spirit stones etc.). How can some Dark Eldar then "Re-grow" themselves if they´ve died?

Iranna.

Throw another wrench in. If Horus "Claw" mortally wounded the Emp. Can they have clone the Emp by the blood.....

 Jihadin wrote:
Throw another wrench in. If Horus "Claw" mortally wounded the Emp. Can they have clone the Emp by the blood.....

could they control such a clone?

what would be the purpose of cloning horus? just to have a replica of his body or to being him back with memories to serve in his previous capacity or toward another goal? if so in the process if memories can be replicated would they warp the Emperor clones memory or take their chances with a rampaging mindless Emperor clone who dwarfs any space marine loyalist or chaos related marine alive?

creating a clone body to serve as host for Daemon control sounds interesting if anything. if they can control it.

I don't believe cloning a psyker will duplicate their psychic abilities.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't believe cloning a psyker will duplicate their psychic abilities.

^^This^^ Totally agree with this, a soul is not cloned with a body.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
The psychic bolt the Emperor used to killed Horus with certainly simply erased him from existence (a "true death" as the Ordo Malleus calls it) as an act of mercy so he couldn't be brought back by Chaos.

Is that recent info - I recall the old fluff about the Black Legion trying to clone Horus body and recereate him but this was IIRC stopped by the other remnants of the Legions.........but this may have all been changed / forgotten

Knowing Fabius Bile and his studies from the Dark Eldar, if a spec of Horus remained he could have probably cloned him.He couldn't bring Horus' soul back from the Warp though, though I doubt he wanted to anymore.

Clone the Eperor and have a 40K Voodoo thing going on? Granted the guy is physicaly dead...and dried...imagine if Bile held the "Voodoo doll" over a open forge and drop it....

 Iranna wrote:
Just on a little side-note, I´ve always thought that an Eldar soul always goes to Slaanesh once he/she dies (minues spirit stones etc.). How can some Dark Eldar then "Re-grow" themselves if they´ve died?

Iranna.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Dark Eldar need some physical part of the person's body to be present in order to regrow them, body and soul. Thus I would assume some small part of the person's soul would cling to whatever was left of them, allowing both body and soul to be regrown together (presumably in some kind of nutrient vat connected to a thousand tortured slaves). But Slaanesh would definitely nom whatever he/she could.

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

 Iranna wrote:
Just on a little side-note, I´ve always thought that an Eldar soul always goes to Slaanesh once he/she dies (minues spirit stones etc.). How can some Dark Eldar then "Re-grow" themselves if they´ve died?

Iranna.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Dark Eldar need some physical part of the person's body to be present in order to regrow them, body and soul. Thus I would assume some small part of the person's soul would cling to whatever was left of them, allowing both body and soul to be regrown together (presumably in some kind of nutrient vat connected to a thousand tortured slaves). But Slaanesh would definitely nom whatever he/she could.

That's pretty much correct.

The Emperor didn't kill Horus, he punched the Chaos RIGHT OUT OF HIM. Unfortunately he died of shock.

The Index Astartes article on the Luna Wolves/Black Legion does not say whether or not a successful clone of Horus was bought about, just that the body was taken by the Emperors Children and that the Black Legion destroyed the body and the cloning facilities

Worse still, the Warmaster's corpse was taken and there were subsequent reports that a being calling himself the Primogenitor was working with the Emperor's Children to clone the body.

Taking their last surviving battle barge, he led them in a lightning raid that destroyed the Warmaster's body and the whole cloning laboratory complex.

It is possible that a there is a clone of Horus though, Abaddon himself.

Successful clones were created. 'He [Abaddon] ordered his remaining Chaos Space Marines to repaint their armour black in eternal memory of their shame, and then lead them in a lightning raid to destroy Horus' body and the mewling clones created from it.' CSM 4th ed pg 22.

So he was successfully cloned, if by successful you don't mean the clones actually achieved anything, but they were created. IIRC in the older editions (second and third, perhaps?) the Black Legion believed 'the Warmaster' would be returned to them in the final assault of Terra, though this may have been metaphorically referring to Abaddon becoming the new Horus.

 Biaz wrote:
Successful clones were created. 'He [Abaddon] ordered his remaining Chaos Space Marines to repaint their armour black in eternal memory of their shame, and then lead them in a lightning raid to destroy Horus' body and the mewling clones created from it.' CSM 4th ed pg 22.

Thanks, forgot about that.

The Emperor final physic bolt destroyed Horus's body and soul thus preventing him ever being resurrected by chaos, Fabius Bile did steal his body but merely tried to clone him