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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 12:08:18
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Been Around the Block
Upper Dublin, PA, USA
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I've always had the impression that including units marked by different Gods in the same army to be contrary to the story and reeking of gamesmanship.
Am i wrong about this? If you think so, can you back up your opinion with citations to books/stories where it happenend?
Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 12:14:09
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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People from different cults may work together to acheive a common aim, why not?
To be extra fluffy, ask your opponent for a "bonus turn" at the end where they blow the gak out of each other
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 12:16:15
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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Loads of times I think it's fine.
The chaos gods often form alliances of convenience, only to further their own goals. They can turn on each other once the fighting's done.
Alternatively, have counts-as and your own fluff. I have units of all marks in my army, but they're counts-as tech versions. E.g. my plague marines are guys in heavy armour with shields. My noise marines are tech specialists with special guns, my zerker's are normal guys with drug injectors and melee weapons, and my thousand sons are marines with shield generators, and again, fancy guns.
In that way, I have all marks and no gods get upset about working together
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 12:23:38
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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I'd say it depends on which gods and how much Undivided stuff you have. A Black Legion army of Undivided troops backed up by cult troops of all four gods would be fine. A Word Bearers army of Undivided troops backed up by daemons of all four gods would be fine. An all Khorne and Tzeentch army or Khorne CSM backed up by Plaguebearers would not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 12:53:27
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Dakka Veteran
Snake Mountain
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It depends very much on the warband/legion you are using, but in general there is no reason you can't.
If it isn't normal it can be due to a common goal/neccessity.
Some legions are undivided but have links/mentions to the gods, a prime example of this are in the stories 'Storm of Iron' or even some of ADB's Night Lord novels, they have some members who are falling to a particular god or utilizing certain cult troops for a purpose. (I believe the Iron Warriors were using some Khorne Bezerkers, basically as a distraction/shield  )
I'd give a more detailed explanation but I'm at work, don't want any spoilers and I can't remember a lot of it without the book nearby. (My brain is awful and I should feel awful.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 13:07:28
Subject: Re:Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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I'm new to Chaos, but I fully plan on running an undivided army with a lot of different marks. GW endorses the idea of personal fluff, so i'll be creating a story behind my collection of various marked marines. I figure they call it Chaos Undivided for a reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 13:26:47
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Squishy Squig
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If Abaddon can get them to work together from time to time, it shouldn't be too hard to justify.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 13:38:30
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Slaanesh Havoc with Blastmaster
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As stated earlier, it would depend on the warband and I agree with Black Legion and Word Bearers being the poster boys for all marks
if you're going with Specific "legion" armies..I would think Slaanesh and Tzeentch wouldn't have too much of a problem pal'ing around, while Khorne and Nurgle would kind of feed off each other as well
Slaanesh and Khorne hate each other, Khorne is too simple minded and straight forward for Slaanesh while Slaanesh is too prissy for Khorne lol also maybe it's just me but a warband of Slaanesh might view Nurgle warbands as "icky"
Tzeentch and Nurgle are totally opposite as Tzeentch is all about change and Nurgle stagnation
myself I plan on having a Slaanesh heavy army with some Tzeentch thrown in
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 14:29:19
Subject: Re:Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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I would say it is one of the key selling points.
Chaos armies are (usually fragile) alliances of convenience. It's the main contrast Chaos offer from the more uniform loyalist armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 14:32:00
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Testify wrote:To be extra fluffy, ask your opponent for a "bonus turn" at the end where they blow the gak out of each other 
Best.
Idea.
Ever.
And it'd be entertaining for everyone.
It can work, sure, they might not like eachother, but generally the opportunity to 'show up' another Gods warriors, whilst killing the hell out of whoever is in front of them would be a good enough reason.
Though generally outside of fighting, they won't really talk much... Let alone look at each other too many times.
Rysaer wrote:Some legions are undivided but have links/mentions to the gods, a prime example of this are in the stories 'Storm of Iron' or even some of ADB's Night Lord novels, they have some members who are falling to a particular god or utilizing certain cult troops for a purpose. (I believe the Iron Warriors were using some Khorne Bezerkers, basically as a distraction/shield  )
And yeah, this.
The Iron Warriors in SoI had a small Berserker/Khornate unit/cult that fought with them, pretty much as Rysaer said. They were mainly used as a "Hey look at those guys, while we kill people over here and do other stuff" kind of deal, but they were welcomed into the Warsmiths warband generally.
I would say more, but once again, like Rysaer, I don't want to spoil anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 14:32:17
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Bloodthirsty Bloodletter
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Well, in pg. 19 of the Daemon Codex, a bunch of daemons from different gods are working together against Space Marines. That didn't stop them from insulting each other even midway through the fight.
I'd assume Chaos Space Marines would have a similar way of dealing with rival warbands when forced to work together.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 14:43:43
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
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The codex is still undivided so I would just say, " abbadon chose these armies for the destruction of (insert army name here). Our name is (insert main force name here) you killed my primarch (maybe) prepair to die." Then just wipe the floor with them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 14:49:29
Subject: Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Black Legion do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 16:26:23
Subject: Re:Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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It depends on the various Gods.
Khorne and Slannesh will work with Tzeentch.
Nurgle and Tzeentch will work with Slannesh.
Tzeentch and Nurgle will work with Khorne.
Khorne and Tzeentch will work with Nurgle.
And all 4 can work together for a common goal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 16:58:11
Subject: Re:Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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Grey Templar wrote:It depends on the various Gods.
Khorne and Slannesh will work with Tzeentch.
Nurgle and Tzeentch will work with Slannesh.
Tzeentch and Nurgle will work with Khorne.
Khorne and Tzeentch will work with Nurgle.
And all 4 can work together for a common goal.
Sums it up pretty much, though there is a WD apoc. unit of Khorne/Slaanesh combined.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/08 17:05:06
Subject: Re:Is it "right" to have CSM with different marks in the same Army?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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Inversely, I don't think a Chaos Force would necessarily be less prone to infighting, backstabbing and overall army coherency dissolving rapidly for no good reason just because it happens to be a "mono-god" force.
Chances of people going at each other with relish don't really diminish just because it's a Khorne-only army. Neither are followers of Tzeentch known for exempting other followers of Tzeentch from their schemes and intrigues. Quite the opposite actually.
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