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So i just got my new csm codex!! pretty pumped about it have not gotten to do much reading but i have started too. I have taken a liking to plague marines. (my buddy plays them against my orks) i also like the idea of a forge fiend with two hades auto cannons and the one ecto. So between 6th being relatively new this year and the new codex just out. was wondering if i could get some help or ideas for a fun starting point. Also worth noting my other army is orks. so i have become a tad tired have having over 100 units in games. so a low unit count army around 1000 or 1500 would be awesome. also 750 armies are something im thinking of too to get started at least! Well you help would be greatly appreciated, hope this sparks some ideas!!!

Was thinking of doing this even though its a lot of cop paste.

Chaos Lord
mark of nurgle
(unsure what upgrades)

3 groups of seven plague marines with 2 plasma guns
all in rhinos
rhinos have havoc missile launchers

3 forge fiends
all with 2 hades auto cannons
extra ecto plasma cannon


Last little side not sorry but i have 2 rhinos and two vindicators from having some ultramarines from awhile ago. thanks again people who help!!

Awesome that you're into Plague Marines! Death Guard is a great army. This sounds like a good list. Don't take Havoc Launchers on your rhinos. Giving a cardboard box a bb gun won't help much. Maybe give your lord a Daemon Weapon if you have the points. A Daemon Prince would be a good thing to look into also, or some Nurgle Terminators. Think about giving your forgefiend all the same weapons combination.

P.S. Helldrakes are disgusting. I saw one wipe out nearly 30 orks in a turn the other day. Definitely an effective unit!

hahahah the cardboard box comment killed me but okay! So when i added it up its around 1300 points for those three forge fiends fitted that way and the plague marines with the plasmas. so that being said i have some picking to do i guess with what to do with that chaos lord for a 1500 list i suppose??

Color Sgt. Kell wrote:Awesome that you're into Plague Marines! Death Guard is a great army. This sounds like a good list. Don't take Havoc Launchers on your rhinos. Giving a cardboard box a bb gun won't help much. Maybe give your lord a Daemon Weapon if you have the points. A Daemon Prince would be a good thing to look into also, or some Nurgle Terminators. Think about giving your forgefiend all the same weapons combination.

P.S. Helldrakes are disgusting. I saw one wipe out nearly 30 orks in a turn the other day. Definitely an effective unit!

"Daemon Weapons" aren't an option anymore
You have to get the Black Mace or use a character with one

Helldrakes are also paper thin

Dubd797 wrote:hahahah the cardboard box comment killed me but okay! So when i added it up its around 1300 points for those three forge fiends fitted that way and the plague marines with the plasmas. so that being said i have some picking to do i guess with what to do with that chaos lord for a 1500 list i suppose??

Remember the range on the forgefiend's ecto is 24, so you're going to be walking at least 1 or 2 downfield which is not something you want to do. drop the third, drop both ectoplasmas and add a maulerfiend with either lashers or stock (lashers make it so all models (including your own) in base contact get -1 attack) i like the lashers because you can charge say CSM and even if they have CCW they have no attacks back magma cutters give you up to 2 additional hits which is nice... but not really amazing.

running PM in units of 7 is an old tactic that bears no benefit anymore, might as well run in units of 5 or 10 (10 preferred) with the poison daggers they can be deadly in close combat

The load out of the ecto plasma coming up short of the cannons is true... but i want to end up getting three! hahaha but yes i will need to take some things into account with them. As far as plague marines go i wish they sold em in boxes of ten.... it would make life easier HA! in groups of seven was me being lazy. but yeah i really appreciate the ideas!!!

Don't buy plague marine boxes, buy C:SM boxes and greenstuff

i doubt my skills in being able to make cool looking plague marines though... i am suckered into the box pm cause imo they look sweet!

Maybe a bit pricey but look at Forge World. 2 Packs of 10 Plague torsos and 2 boxes of standard CSM and you have 20 plague marines that are not made of finecrap. <sorry but I am not a fan of fine cast>

Hate fine cast. So much. But how they look i cant complain. I have looked into forge world to. I was wondering on just taking regular csm but on the tactics forum they seemed to be getting bashed pretty hard. (why do i feel when i read about an army no one is talking about strengths.... just weaknesses)

The counter intuitive thing about the new chaos is that the rubric marines are very costly but regular CSM are relatively cheap.

10 CSM with 2 plasma guns costs you 170. Your 7 plague marines cost 194 with 2 plasma guns. Not bad but you get 9 exra marines and 72 points to spend. Not as nicely outfitted but a mix of standard CSM and plague marines might not be a bad idea. Maybe 2 plague marines and 2 CSM. Gets you a 4th squad.

You put that into words very well. I guess i am still such a noob to the marks and other similar upgrades. And coming back to the plague marines. would they be okay in groups of five in a 1500 point game? or would they get crushed because i like the idea of not having a million infantry running around (getting away from orks boyz) but i don't want to run something that will just get shot away.

My friend got FC Plague Marines. They looked fine, and seem to lack a lot of the things that make FC crappy (Small or Thin pieces).

What chaos squad do you guys consider more competitive? Thousand sons or plague marines?? I'm starting a chaos marine army and want to know what other people think that are better than me. My original army is space wolves and I love the thousand sons and plague marines but don't know which will win me tournaments

Plague Marines are still the best troop option (assuming you pay a nurgle lord), they are tough as nails, when they get assaulted they stay there for lots of turns, and with the new poison weapons they can even deal some hard dmg back at MEQs if you pay them veterans they get to reroll to hits and to wounds on the first turn vs marines. pretty sweet.

I like the list alot but I prefer havocs with 4x autocannon because I feel I have enough plasma already and 32 S7 AP4 shots might be better.

O.o that would be a lot of shots hahaha i thought the 24 s8 AP4 hades would be bad lol!

Plague marines are still one of the best troops if you take a nurgle lord but they got a point more expensive and got given a plague knife would of rather been given the option though its only a small complaint paying a point more for my plagues and Geting aliitle better at cc isn't to bad.

As for havocs with auto cannons every list I make have max'ed them out for 345 24 str 7 shots is pritty decent. Forge fiends are over priced sure you get 8 shots at str 8 but being only bs3 sucks, in best thing to compair to is a grey knight psyifleman roughly same average hits at str 8 better range for a lot cheaper.

a good color for plague marines try sunburst yellow + Army Painter darkshade. Comes out to a greenish mucus color.

I still want to get three forge fiends. Obviously i am not the best and am not looking to be super competitive. Still want to win when playing friends and people at the games shop but i still really would love to play forge fiends so pretty set on them. It is troops i keep hearing different things with. I like plague marines and im thinking of going with them. but regular Chaos space marines seem like you can really change em around with marks ect to make them how you want to play them. i Dont know exactly would love to here what troop ideas to run with three forge fiends. After hearing some ideas ill post up a better list with a more solid idea

Okay here is an idea of something fun i think i will like.

HQ
Lord-130
sigil of corruption
axe of blinding furry
mok
votlw

troops

10 csm-225
votlw
mon
ccw
melta bombs
2 plasma
rhino-35

10 csm-225
votlw
mon
ccw
melta bombs
2 plasma
rhino-35

10 csm-225
votlw
mon
ccw
melta bombs
2 plasma
rhino-35

heavy support
3 forge fiends-525
each with 2 hades cannons

Also i was wondering can a lord take sigil of corruption and aura of dark glory and get a 3 up invuln???? very curious. well this is just a thought like a said still thinking about what to get with chaos


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Just realized that lord needs a ride... guess one of the rhinos i would cut a guy out of and one of the special weps.