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ooooook so i wanted to have a stab at a chaos list using mostly what i have.

Huron Blackheart 160 (Warlord)

Kharn the betrayer 160

3 Chaos Terminators 144
- MoK
- IoW
- 3x combi metla

Dedicated land raider 235
- Dirge caster

3 Chaos Terminators 144
- MoK
- IoW
- 3x combi metla

Dedicated land raider 235
- Dirge caster

Helldrake 170
- Hades cannon

10 Cultists 50

10 Cultists 50

10 Cultists 50

5 Havocs 115
- 4x auto cannons

5 Havocs 115
- 4x auto cannons

5 Havocs 115
- 4x auto cannons

so i think the main problem is im not geting much for 1750 points with 2 landers and special chars but the premise of the list is that huron will give hopefully both kharn and his land raider infiltrate and huron and his raider also so the opponent will have to deal with 2 raiders in there face. I know my troops are pretty squishy as well but i'm not sold on any of the troops to be honest i think it costs to much to make them any good i like chosen as troops but needing abbadon as a hq is a kick in the teeth.

I like the idea very much and the list looks solid apart from a severe lack of troops. One Baleflamer would dry roast all of them in a few turns.

The additonal problem is the random factor allowing you to infiltrate both raiders and termie/hq units.

its only d3 right, so 3 max anyway?
I think if you're going to do the infiltrate thing I would work on maybe one raider and some uber stupid unit that would be worth the investement of the raider infiltrating because that thing is going to be prime target galore.

Either that or take Huron and Ahriman and see what infiltrating sillyness you can pull off..random factor allowing. I think it would require 2k and up to do something decent with it.

even with huron and ahriman would still be d3 seeing as only one of them can be the warlord. i have taken 2 raiders mainly because 1 will have the attention of the whole enemy force hopefully with 2 if 1 gets popped the IC can join the party in the other.

plus i love kharn there not much that will beat him in a challenge anything that will the termy captain can accept

3 ten man cultist squads won't last long. In an objective game they'd be one of my primary targets. Flamers will eat them up no problem. It's not like generic CSMs are expensive, why not field a unit or two of them?

Yeah its just i would have to do a fair amount of changing things about seeing as loosing havocs will loose alot of firepower loosing any upgrades will also hurt my plans, how would you fit in the marines?

Been thinking Not sure if puting kharn with termies is a good idea he could kill them all in a round of combat

Infiltrating a Landraider just puts it closer to the oppositions melta guns and powergloves. Charging out with 4 models (albeit kill-y ones) are probably going to get over run of shot after they rip through a unit.

Why not leave a LR at home or in your deployment zone and infiltrate one large terminator squad. Or get the models and go for a large CSM/plague marine squad.

But infiltrate is after deployment so i can put them where they are at least risk.if its not possible then if they are in meta range i am in charge range but i do understand where you are coming from i was thinking taking a couple of blob squads with kharn and Huron but they would be fairly easy to kite. and even easier to wipe off the board though i wasnt thinking of a terminator blob . the whole plan is probably flawed but im going to play test it tonight

To be honest the termies dont need landraiders. a 5 man squad can deepstrike easily enough. saving 500 points. 20 plague marines? Or, drop 1 raider, DS termies and take zerkers with kharn.

Drop cultists, after 1500 pie plates are the bane of these guys. Mix up your havocs. autocannons are good but spam can be wasted. missiles, las, even heavy bolters can be very useful, half and half auto with missles? gives your more tactical options. What are you going to do if your pitted against a landraider?

2x 3 Combi melta on the terminators and 2 raiders my self with lascannons. they should be able to deal with a raider.

The idea of the list is to get a 1st or 2nd turn charge with the raiders, putting them in reserve will mean a 3rd turn charge as best and the risks that come with deep striking.

I know 2 raiders are a point sink but 2 of them within 18" with some capable combat units inside is pretty scary. especially since alot of armys are not suited to deal with land raiders efficently.

Of course this relies on me getting a 3+ on my infilrate rolls.

Bradford1111,

Hello. I'm with Kendowned regarding the infiltration, just becasue I like my points on the board to begin with. However if the force was tooled up with three possible infiltrating units (Havocs with meltaguns/plasma guns to go for side armour or heavy weapons and sit them in a building???) then a non-LR terminator squad would give the plan B to deep strike when only 2 units were allowed to infiltrate.

I think the only reason to include heavy bolters is if your going for luck shots against flyers rear armour and the fact that if you buy a CSM tactical squad you get one, if you buy a CSM havoc squad you get one, its almost impossible to buy figure sets without getting a CSM with a HB. Pain when you want ML Lascannon and AC!