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I'm steering away from my superior elves and into an avalanche of massive khadoran metal, I got my eyes set on black bearded Harkevich as my first caster to play for Khador. As well has fielding him on the battle field, his overall attention leans to imrove 'jack behavior and body, loaded with onces of gunz. Rolling out with Black Ivan and Behemoth sounds and looks insane, but what about other choices of 'jacks? Loading Harkevich with destroyers (one for points 35 and below, maybe two starting at 50) and B.I. is also sick, since he'll just boost the 'jacks with Broadside and feat turn will rain punishment on the enemieh!

And finally to the point, I was wondering what other Khadoran players field in terms of 'jacks with Harkevich?

Cheers!

Try him with Black Ivan and the Destroyer in the starter and
go from there. Do you find you need more armor? Put in a
Spriggan or Demolisher. Do you need a better alpha strike or
anti-stealth? The Spriggan. Need a more versatile ranged 'jack?
Either conquest or Behemoth fits the bill.

I haven't settled on my list yet. These were just a few ideas.

Speaking of ranged 'jacks, would fielding a Demolisher provide great performance saddling with Harkevich?

Not trying to steer clear... Harky is probably consider one of the least competitive Khador casters at present. Yes, his abilities, spells, feat, greatly help ranged jacks... however in the end Khador tends to lean heavily on putting Axe to face, and we do it quite well. Our jacks hit like trucks, those that do not have Chain attacks... Berserkers, Kodiak, Drago.. those jacks that can shoot.. tend to however around BS 15-16.. and need to boost to hit often. They are focus hogs, we do not have a focus efficient caster for ranged jacks.

That being said, if you want to go with Khador shooty jacks, Harkey is probably as close as you can get. As people said..
Start with Ivan & a Destroyer.
Before considering a Demolisher, realize if you shoot you open him up.
Consider Torch, he is an excellent "tool box" jack
A Spriggan is very very handy given he basically can assault IE fire flares OR grenades and charge something else.

Problem with Harky.. he doesn't help infantry which you need.

@njpc

Right. So infantry wise I'll be needing units that can support themselves, like Grigorovich and winterguard.

As well has shoving an axe down the opponent's gullet, casting Escort and feat popping would bring Harkevich up to armour 20 for one round and his jacks to armour 23. So during this turn you should eliminate the important units in close combat? Sylus would reduce focus cost for Harkevich too since he'll provide an upkeep spell for free.

njpc wrote:

Before considering a Demolisher, realize if you shoot you open him up.

Harky's Broadside is outside of the Demolisher's activation so if you trigger the RoD before he activates then he is still closed up.

 Pipboy101 wrote:


Harky's Broadside is outside of the Demolisher's activation so if you trigger the RoD before he activates then he is still closed up.

Yup!

In terms of infantry, would fielding a demo corps or bombardiers (full or half) be of any use with Harky? Just for getting into the fray and pull the opponent's attention and focus that is.

 Pipboy101 wrote:

njpc wrote:

Before considering a Demolisher, realize if you shoot you open him up.

Harky's Broadside is outside of the Demolisher's activation so if you trigger the RoD before he activates then he is still closed up.

You have a couple things mixed up,

Broadsides allows one normal ranged attack.

Rain of Death for the Devastator is a *Attack, not a normal ranged attack, so cannot be used with Broadsides.

The Demolisher's gun, however can be used with the spell.

But, Armored Shell states that if the model makes an attack, it's armor is reduced until its next activation.

So if you use Broadsides to fire, be sure not to have activated the demolisher before Harkevich.

Are we on the right warjack?

Demolisher = 2x RNG:8 POW 15 guns on its shoulders
Devastator = grenade launchers in its shoulders; RoD special attack

And yes, when you use broadside, make sure that the Demolisher activates after Harkevich. Also, thoughts on using a Decimator?

 Avro wrote:
Are we on the right warjack?

Demolisher = 2x RNG:8 POW 15 guns on its shoulders
Devastator = grenade launchers in its shoulders; RoD special attack

And yes, when you use broadside, make sure that the Demolisher activates after Harkevich. Also, thoughts on using a Decimator?

The Decimator is a RAT 4 focus hog. I don't think I'm entirely comfortable using it
with Harkevitch.

I think Pip just mentioned the wrong jack by accident.

I'm familiar with boardside.. however remember it still takes your focus to utilize, so Hark is often focus starved. The Demolisher is an order of activation jack. From what I have seen so far.. the guns just are not as effective as the PS just is not high enough for targets you need to kill: Jacks / Heavy Beasts.

If your putting the WG / Star with Joe, they are self reliant, but you still need something to take down heavy targets. This is why Hark struggles. At the end of the day you shooting the opposition, or basically using assault. You will bang up models, but from what i've seen they struggle to put things away.

Hmmm. So you might be using a man-o-war list with harkevich to clean up any left overs. Here's a list I came up with for 35 pts:

Harkevich(-5pts)
Destroyer(10pts)
Black Ivan(10pts) (tot: 35)

MoW Demolition Corps (leader and 2 grunts: 6pts)
Iron fang (full unit: 8 pts)
Iron fang UA (2 pts)
Battle mechaniks with Officer(4 pts total)

 Avro wrote:
Hmmm. So you might be using a man-o-war list with harkevich to clean up any left overs. Here's a list I came up with for 35 pts:

Harkevich(-5pts)
Destroyer(10pts)
Black Ivan(10pts) (tot: 35)

MoW Demolition Corps (leader and 2 grunts: 6pts)
Iron fang (full unit: 8 pts)
Iron fang UA (2 pts)
Battle mechaniks with Officer(4 pts total)

MOW is too slow, I'm thinking.

I am unsure of where you would find this information, but I know Flanzer ran a harkvich list at one of the cons and I heard it was pretty good. It involved ramming a ton of jacks(I believe it was 2 juggys) into your face with the feat and saying deal with my cheap disposable double armor 23 tarpit, then having his 2nd wave come in behind that to cleanup, though i dont know what else was in the list I just heard about it on a podcast some time ago.

Yep was think of the wrong jack. Sorry.

Actually, wouldn't running three jacks with Harkevich be a boon? Black Ivan (a total must), Destroyer, and a Juggernaut or Spriggan. With Escort, all jacks in his control area get +2 movement, and Harkevich's field marshal ability gives them Pathfinder. So feat turn, charging for free, Juggernaut, Black Ivan, Destroyer, and Harky all get +3 armour (jacks = ARM 23, Harky: ARM 19); Sylus will upkeep Escort, giving harky his +2 armour (now at ARM 21) while he's within 3 inches of any jack in his battlegroud. Giving each jack 2 focus and they'll be singing the Khador national anthem all the way home!