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Ok, so Chaos Champions, HQs, ICs etc all have the "Champion of Chaos" rule where they HAVE to issue and/or accept challenges in combat. Fine.

If i have a Lord attached to a squad of marines - who issues the challenge? Do i go with the most "senior" model? Do i get to choose which one? or does the enemy model in question get challenged twice?

You get to pick if there are multiple d00ds with the rule.



Only 1 challenge per combat, player who's turn it is issues first

Specifies this in the rule Champion of Chaos - you choose who proffers the challenge or accepts an opponents challenge

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Specifies this in the rule Champion of Chaos - you choose who proffers the challenge or accepts an opponents challenge

Nos has this one. Pg 28 under Champions of Chaos.

"If there is more than one model in a combat with this special rule, you may select which model issues or accepts the challenge."

So if and independant character, Typhus by example is in an unit of zombie. I'd like to protect him during the fight with look out sir ect... But i have to challenge right?

So i should challenge with the zombie champion and let typhus fight normally (because if it is MC opposing he will die), BUT when the zombie champions is dead, and he will quickly, do Typhus has to challenge someone during the same fight or not?

bowlord wrote:
So if and independant character, Typhus by example is in an unit of zombie. I'd like to protect him during the fight with look out sir ect... But i have to challenge right?

So i should challenge with the zombie champion and let typhus fight normally (because if it is MC opposing he will die), BUT when the zombie champions is dead, and he will quickly, do Typhus has to challenge someone during the same fight or not?

If a challenge is not going on CSM Characters have to always Challenge, or always accept.

bowlord wrote:
BUT when the zombie champions is dead, and he will quickly, do Typhus has to challenge someone during the same fight or not?

Good question, actually. The section on challenges in the BRB says only one challenge may be issued per close combat, but then later says you may not issue a new challenge in that combat until the previous one has been resolved.

If a challenge is not going on CSM Characters have to always Challenge, or always accept.

Sure, but i mean it's : one challenge at time in a fight, or one challenge max for everyone in the fight?

thx

bowlord wrote:

If a challenge is not going on CSM Characters have to always Challenge, or always accept.

Sure, but i mean it's : one challenge at time in a fight, or one challenge max for everyone in the fight?

thx

At a time. So once the lil guys dead, prolly the first round. Next batter will have to step up.

QQ there is no way to protect Typhus from challenging nemesis or something like that. With init 1 i will die every time....

bowlord wrote:
QQ there is no way to protect Typhus from challenging nemesis or something like that. With init 1 i will die every time....

He's Init 1 for a good reason. The guy's a house.

If he gets his -1 Str Malediction off on the Dreadknight he'll more than likely win in a challenge.
So play smart ^^

When he challenge and win he has to challenge again? So he Will ever fight nmy one by one. Or its one challenge Max by charachter?

Any chance your chaos character has to challenge, he MUST issue a challenge

So if you have 9 marines and 1 sarge and you kill the sarge, and you remain in combat the next turn you can kill the unit - there is no challenge possible at this point.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
If he gets his -1 Str Malediction off on the Dreadknight he'll more than likely win in a challenge.
So play smart ^^

Not really, S9 still wounds on 2+ and smart player will just reserve his Warp Charge for activating those Nemesis Doomfists.

Similar question...

I have a Khorne Lord join a squad of berzerkers with a Champ.

The unit charges Tycho by himself (killed off his Death Company squad with shooting).

The unit charges Tycho and challenges are issued. if there is only one target but 2 chaos lord/champions, do they BOTH issue a challenge? This how we played it when this happened the other day.

Lord challenged Tyco first - draw....stupid 2+ save against Lightning Claws
THEN the Berzerker Champion challenged....and pasted Tycho with a powerfist.

If you have more than 1 Champ in the unit, you get to choose who issues/accepts.

 Praxiss wrote:
Similar question...

I have a Khorne Lord join a squad of berzerkers with a Champ.

The unit charges Tycho by himself (killed off his Death Company squad with shooting).

The unit charges Tycho and challenges are issued. if there is only one target but 2 chaos lord/champions, do they BOTH issue a challenge? This how we played it when this happened the other day.

No. You may only declare one challenge per combat.

Easy - you choose who issues as you have no rule telling you you are unable to do so.

Best way to describe it is where chaos is involved, challenges are always 1v1. As with other armies, chaos can choose who gets to accept/make the challenge. If a challenge is resolved and combat goes on, another challenge must be made unless the other side has no characters left.

The only other way to not have a challenge is if the non chaos player refuses.

Something else I picked up on...check tycho's rules again and you'll see that DC Tyco isn't an independent character, he's a single model unit. So he can't join the DC.

With Chaos there should always be a challenge going on. The challenge lasts until the model(s) in the challenge are dead or either side breaks from combat. The other possibility is that the chaos character is a daemon prince, who doesn't have the "has to challenge" rule.

Also, Tycho is an Independent Character so he can join the Death Company unless Death Company restrict this.

 kaapelikala wrote:
Also, Tycho is an Independent Character so he can join the Death Company unless Death Company restrict this.

Captain Tycho is an IC. DC Tycho is not.

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 kaapelikala wrote:
With Chaos there should always be a challenge going on. The challenge lasts until the model(s) in the challenge are dead or either side breaks from combat. The other possibility is that the chaos character is a daemon prince, who doesn't have the "has to challenge" rule.

Also, Tycho is an Independent Character so he can join the Death Company unless Death Company restrict this.

Not true. If you can attack from an direction that prevents the enemy Ch from accepting you do not get into a challenge. The rules say the challenger AND challengee must be able to fight ie; base 2 base or within 2" from someone that is base 2 base(note, not needing to fight each other just be able to fight something). In a lot of cases a challenge can not be initiated until the following players turn subcombat step. I try to have this happen as much as possible so CC gods don't waste attacks on Srg. McScrubs.

 Super Ready wrote:
Best way to describe it is where chaos is involved, challenges are always 1v1. As with other armies, chaos can choose who gets to accept/make the challenge. If a challenge is resolved and combat goes on, another challenge must be made unless the other side has no characters left.

The only other way to not have a challenge is if the non chaos player refuses.

Something else I picked up on...check tycho's rules again and you'll see that DC Tyco isn't an independent character, he's a single model unit. So he can't join the DC.

The bold part is not correct.

There can only be one Challenge per Close Combat (pg 64 of BRB) So if a Challenge is resolved through killing one or both Characters or if a Challenge is refused by either party, then that is it for that combat. Until one unit is wiped or breaks, no more challenges can be issued.

40k-noob wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Best way to describe it is where chaos is involved, challenges are always 1v1. As with other armies, chaos can choose who gets to accept/make the challenge. If a challenge is resolved and combat goes on, another challenge must be made unless the other side has no characters left.

The only other way to not have a challenge is if the non chaos player refuses.

Something else I picked up on...check tycho's rules again and you'll see that DC Tyco isn't an independent character, he's a single model unit. So he can't join the DC.

The bold part is not correct.

There can only be one Challenge per Close Combat (pg 64 of BRB) So if a Challenge is resolved through killing one or both Characters or if a Challenge is refused by either party, then that is it for that combat. Until one unit is wiped or breaks, no more challenges can be issued.

Actually P.64 kind of contradicts itself in regards to that.

Left Column 1st graph says "Only one challenge can be issued per close combat"

Left Column 3rd graph says "Once one challenge has been made, no further challenges can be issued in that combat whilst the previous challenge is ongoing."

The context of the first seems to be "(round of) close combat", which then makes more sense with eveyrthing else.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
The context of the first seems to be "(round of) close combat", which then makes more sense with eveyrthing else.

I was simply pointing out the contradiction.

Though they make it clear later on that there can be multiple challenges in a single close combat as a whole, but never more than one at a time.

"Even though further challenges cannot be issued in a combat until the existing challenge has been resolved" P.65 Round Two heading, Left column, 2nd graph.

true enough. But the contradiction simply points to an implication while the rule on pg 64 is explicitly written out.

Granted it makes more sense that more challenges can be issued once the first is resolved, especially if multiple units are involved but that is not what rulebook says.

40k-noob wrote:
true enough. But the contradiction simply points to an implication while the rule on pg 64 is explicitly written out.

Granted it makes more sense that more challenges can be issued once the first is resolved, especially if multiple units are involved but that is not what rulebook says.

that is not true.

Did you read my P.65 quote?

Yes, I did. That statement is what I am talking about. It "implies" that more Challenges can be issued but it does not explicitly say it.

The Rule in Bold on pg 64 "Only one challenge can be issued per
close combat" is written out and carries more weight than an implication.


Again, I agree it makes more sense that after one is resolved another could be issue if there are still Char on both sides.