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Infiltrating Broodlord




New York

It seems rather stupid to me to imagine that it is the 1 character in a unit that will scream "LOOK OUT SIR!" to himself. This rule again to my understand affects the model who is jumping in the way of the attack about to harm the character.

Page 16 of the Rulebook
Look Out Sir!

"When a wound is allocated to one of your characters, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he's allowed a Look Out Sir attempt."

- From just reading this in the context that it's used it seems to me the model within 6" is the subject, as he is referenced specifically where as the character is pluralized indicating that they are just the trigger necessary for the other model in the unit to take a test to protect whichever character was in trouble.

My interpretation is further supported by the last line of the rule.

"If no model is in range, then you cannot make a Look Out Sir! attempt"

- Again it seems like it is the model that is required to make the test possible, if the model is not there then no test is taken.

Later in the same rule they go out of their way to explain that look out sir is possible if the unit consists only of characters, allowing characters to declare look out sir! as well to protect another character. Which brings up page 39.

Indepedent characters pass look out sir on a 2+.

This to me means that in such a case where there are multiple characters as stated on page 16, that an independent character attempting to protect another character in the unit only requires a 2+ for his look out sir.

However if the independent character is part of a unit with no other character, he defaults to the standard rules for look out sir where models within his unit may attempt to protect him on a 4+.


Again where is my logic and reading of this rule flawed? I'd like clarification if i am incorrect in my interpretation, because again it seems rather stupid for the character himself to yell 'look out sir' when needing protection.

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The subject is the model taking the LOS! roll, i.e. the character. An IC passes LOS! on a 2+, passing the wound to the nearest model within the unit. A non-IC character passes on a 4+
   
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There's not much contest on this one, pretty much no matter how you break down the grammar. The key sentence you quote and highlight with your own emphasis is referring to the Character which is allocated a wound making the LOS rolls. You are emphasising the "he's" and supplanting your own desired target when the sentence contextually refers to the Character itself.

To humor you, I can further support this counter-argument with the 2nd bulletpoint under the Look Out, Sir section on Pg 16.

"On a roll of 4+, the Look Out, Sir attempt is successful. You must pick a model from the same unit within 6" and resolve the wound against them instead."

You don't pick a flunkie, roll a LoS, and then allocate to them. You only pick the unlucky model after the LOS attempt is passed. Although it is fluffy that an 'extra' on the set would throw himself in the way of a bullet destined for his Hero-Champion's forehead, it's still the character himself who makes the roll.

And to counter even the fluff..

"This represents the CHARACTER ducking back further into the unit, HOLDING a comrade in a line of fire, or being pushed aside by a selfless ally."

aka Abaddon yanks a flunkie over and has him eat the Lascannon shot instead. All according to plan, my good sir.

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I would also like to point out that it is not a model within 6" anymore. The FAQ changed it.

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ATL, GA

Happyjew wrote:
I would also like to point out that it is not a model within 6" anymore. The FAQ changed it.


Yes in fact it did, now it's just the closest model within the same unit. Bit of a benefit for horde armies with huge squads, don't you think? But then again it also inhibits floating wound shenanigans and allocating wounds to units in the back of your squad as opposed to removing models closest to the firing unit.

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"Better have one flexible neck to be making that shot," Bob said.

"You only assume the Balefire is coming out of his mouth, Bob. In my world, the Heldrake is pooping daemonic fire on your troops as it jets away from their mangled and now burning corpses." -John

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15 : 0 : 2 
   
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Fair enough it still escapes me to think that the roll is made by the actual character rather than the model attempting to protect him.

Thanks for the clarification.

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8. Eldar - 3,400 pts
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