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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:13:27
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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So when I searched the forums I only found threads posted before 6th. Can a model get more than 10 attacks in 6th edition?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:15:43
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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How are you thinking one may get that many?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:19:29
Subject: Re:more than 10 attacks
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Numberless Necron Warrior
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According to the rulebook you can have more than 10 attacks. Just look at how you are getting so many attacks, many special rules, wargear etc have limits to how many attacks you can have, eg Obyrons cleaving counterblow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:19:38
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well, Ragnar can easily get into the teens with saga of the warrior born, a khorne demon prince charging with the axe of blindness (demon weapon) can breach ten too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:33:09
Subject: Re:more than 10 attacks
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The Conquerer
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Attacks and, IIRC, Wounds are the only stats that can go above 10.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:33:44
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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Leadership and Strength on weapons cannot be modified passed 10..I think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:36:06
Subject: Re:more than 10 attacks
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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p2, Modifiers. Attacks and Wounds are the only characteristics that can be raised above 10.
A Khorne Lord on Juggernaut with a Daemon Weapon charging can reach that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 04:45:19
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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bagtagger wrote:
Well, Ragnar can easily get into the teens with saga of the warrior born, a khorne demon prince charging with the axe of blindness (demon weapon) can breach ten too.
Any wolf lord and saga of the warrior born armed with a wolf claw or pair, could clock up 10+ if they got into cc with a horde unit and if it can go for 2+ turns of combat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 12:07:47
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Lelith can do it in a fair number of instances as well
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 12:16:40
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Old One Eye can reach to 18 attacks. BA DC Dreadnaught with blood claws can go well over Ten vs a horde unit. Warp Speed + charge can let several units go over 10.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 14:48:48
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Sinewy Scourge
Crawfordsville Indiana
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Does Lelith get her bonus attacks against vehicles? 14-15 str4 attacks with Furious charge might actually be able to hurt it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 15:09:00
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Stormin' Stompa
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megatrons2nd wrote:Does Lelith get her bonus attacks against vehicles? 14-15 str4 attacks with Furious charge might actually be able to hurt it.
I can't see a reason why it shouldn't.
Her special rule works against "enemy models".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 15:17:40
Subject: Re:more than 10 attacks
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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BlackSanguinor wrote:According to the rulebook you can have more than 10 attacks. Just look at how you are getting so many attacks, many special rules, wargear etc have limits to how many attacks you can have, eg Obyrons cleaving counterblow.
His ability is still limited to +6 bonus attacks and on the charge that puts him at 10 attacks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 15:26:59
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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bagtagger wrote:
Well, Ragnar can easily get into the teens with saga of the warrior born, a khorne demon prince charging with the axe of blindness (demon weapon) can breach ten too.
well fire off a daemon prince cannot have an axe of blindness, but via FAQ a model can have more then 10 attacks, such as a lord with + d6 attacks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 15:33:38
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ub3rb3n wrote:bagtagger wrote:
Well, Ragnar can easily get into the teens with saga of the warrior born, a khorne demon prince charging with the axe of blindness (demon weapon) can breach ten too.
well fire off a daemon prince cannot have an axe of blindness, but via FAQ a model can have more then 10 attacks, such as a lord with + d6 attacks
In the codex it says demon princes can take items from the choas artifacts list so the axe of blindness is a yes (provided it has the mark of khorne).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 15:48:52
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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bagtagger wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:bagtagger wrote:
Well, Ragnar can easily get into the teens with saga of the warrior born, a khorne demon prince charging with the axe of blindness (demon weapon) can breach ten too.
well fire off a daemon prince cannot have an axe of blindness, but via FAQ a model can have more then 10 attacks, such as a lord with + d6 attacks
In the codex it says demon princes can take items from the choas artifacts list so the axe of blindness is a yes (provided it has the mark of khorne).
you are correct, where does it say he can take a mark of khorn though?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 15:49:36
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Well Abbadon gets 7 on the charge (base 4, rage goes to 6 + 2 "specialist weapons" = 7) and up to 6 additional with his sword's d6 additional attacks... that's 13 max. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ub3rb3n wrote:bagtagger wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:bagtagger wrote:
Well, Ragnar can easily get into the teens with saga of the warrior born, a khorne demon prince charging with the axe of blindness (demon weapon) can breach ten too.
well fire off a daemon prince cannot have an axe of blindness, but via FAQ a model can have more then 10 attacks, such as a lord with + d6 attacks
In the codex it says demon princes can take items from the choas artifacts list so the axe of blindness is a yes (provided it has the mark of khorne).
you are correct, where does it say he can take a mark of khorn though?
Uh all Daemon Princes are required to have a mark.. lol?
Daemon Prince, first option
MUST BE UPGRADED TO A
Daemon of Khorne..... x pts
Daemon of Tzeentch.... x pts
etc
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 15:52:41
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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kenc wrote:
Well Abbadon gets 7 on the charge (base 4, rage goes to 6 + 2 "specialist weapons" = 7) and up to 6 additional with his sword's d6 additional attacks... that's 13 max.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ub3rb3n wrote:bagtagger wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:bagtagger wrote:
Well, Ragnar can easily get into the teens with saga of the warrior born, a khorne demon prince charging with the axe of blindness (demon weapon) can breach ten too.
well fire off a daemon prince cannot have an axe of blindness, but via FAQ a model can have more then 10 attacks, such as a lord with + d6 attacks
In the codex it says demon princes can take items from the choas artifacts list so the axe of blindness is a yes (provided it has the mark of khorne).
you are correct, where does it say he can take a mark of khorn though?
Uh all Daemon Princes are required to have a mark.. lol?
Daemon Prince, first option
MUST BE UPGRADED TO A
Daemon of Khorne..... x pts
Daemon of Tzeentch.... x pts
etc
you just proved my point in that last thing you said, they are DAEMONS of khorne they do not have the marks, thanks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:00:30
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ub3rb3n wrote:
you just proved my point in that last thing you said, they are DAEMONS of khorne they do not have the marks, thanks
First I'd like to welcome you to Chaos.
Daemons of Chaos are treated as having a Mark of xxx.
Don't be a smartass, you're here to learn not assume. You come off as a 13 year old player and no one likes to play with people like that.
I'd also recommend you pick up a Chaos codex before posting about it's rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:07:37
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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The Hive Mind
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kenc wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:
you just proved my point in that last thing you said, they are DAEMONS of khorne they do not have the marks, thanks
First I'd like to welcome you to Chaos.
Daemons of Chaos are treated as having a Mark of xxx.
Don't be a smartass, you're here to learn not assume. You come off as a 13 year old player and no one likes to play with people like that.
I'd also recommend you pick up a Chaos codex before posting about it's rules.
What page is that on in the Codex? I couldn't find where it says that a Daemon is considered to have the Mark.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:10:13
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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kenc wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:
you just proved my point in that last thing you said, they are DAEMONS of khorne they do not have the marks, thanks
First I'd like to welcome you to Chaos.
Daemons of Chaos are treated as having a Mark of xxx.
Don't be a smartass, you're here to learn not assume. You come off as a 13 year old player and no one likes to play with people like that.
I'd also recommend you pick up a Chaos codex before posting about it's rules.
did you rule that or did the codex sounds like you're the one assuming not learning, welcome to chaos just because we're evil doesnt mean we can make up our own rules
lol?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:29:47
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ub3rb3n wrote:kenc wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:
you just proved my point in that last thing you said, they are DAEMONS of khorne they do not have the marks, thanks
First I'd like to welcome you to Chaos.
Daemons of Chaos are treated as having a Mark of xxx.
Don't be a smartass, you're here to learn not assume. You come off as a 13 year old player and no one likes to play with people like that.
I'd also recommend you pick up a Chaos codex before posting about it's rules.
did you rule that or did the codex, welcome to chaos just because we're evil doesnt mean we can make up our own rules, lol?
^ definitely a 13 year old tfg
The RAI are clear unless you're trying to be TFG on purpose. Every ed has called them a mark they're just separated for the benefits purpose now where Daemon princes don't get counter attack and rage just rage, they get reroll 1s instead of 4++ etc
Also you have to have a mark to take from a God's spell pool so.
Take a look at your past two Chaos Codecies (oh wait you don't have them you're new here) and you'll realize why they're considered to have a mark and what the RAI is there is also no RAW that state that a Deamon of x does not rule as having a Mark of X.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:37:37
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thanks for backing me up Kenc, lets try to keep it civil though. perhaps we should start another thread discussing this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:38:08
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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The Hive Mind
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kenc wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:kenc wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:
you just proved my point in that last thing you said, they are DAEMONS of khorne they do not have the marks, thanks
First I'd like to welcome you to Chaos.
Daemons of Chaos are treated as having a Mark of xxx.
Don't be a smartass, you're here to learn not assume. You come off as a 13 year old player and no one likes to play with people like that.
I'd also recommend you pick up a Chaos codex before posting about it's rules.
did you rule that or did the codex, welcome to chaos just because we're evil doesnt mean we can make up our own rules, lol?
^ definitely a 13 year old tfg
The RAI are clear unless you're trying to be TFG on purpose. Every ed has called them a mark they're just separated for the benefits purpose now where Daemon princes don't get counter attack and rage just rage, they get reroll 1s instead of 4++ etc
Also you have to have a mark to take from a God's spell pool so.
Take a look at your past two Chaos Codecies (oh wait you don't have them you're new here) and you'll realize why they're considered to have a mark and what the RAI is there is also no RAW that state that a Deamon of x does not rule as having a Mark of X.
There has to be a rule that says a Daemon of x counts as having a Mark of x or it doesn't. Going the other way doesn't work - there's no rule saying my Venom Cannons don't ignore armor saves either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:43:36
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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rigeld2 wrote:kenc wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:kenc wrote:Ub3rb3n wrote:
you just proved my point in that last thing you said, they are DAEMONS of khorne they do not have the marks, thanks
First I'd like to welcome you to Chaos.
Daemons of Chaos are treated as having a Mark of xxx.
Don't be a smartass, you're here to learn not assume. You come off as a 13 year old player and no one likes to play with people like that.
I'd also recommend you pick up a Chaos codex before posting about it's rules.
did you rule that or did the codex, welcome to chaos just because we're evil doesnt mean we can make up our own rules, lol?
^ definitely a 13 year old tfg
The RAI are clear unless you're trying to be TFG on purpose. Every ed has called them a mark they're just separated for the benefits purpose now where Daemon princes don't get counter attack and rage just rage, they get reroll 1s instead of 4++ etc
Also you have to have a mark to take from a God's spell pool so.
Take a look at your past two Chaos Codecies (oh wait you don't have them you're new here) and you'll realize why they're considered to have a mark and what the RAI is there is also no RAW that state that a Deamon of x does not rule as having a Mark of X.
There has to be a rule that says a Daemon of x counts as having a Mark of x or it doesn't. Going the other way doesn't work - there's no rule saying my Venom Cannons don't ignore armor saves either.
Bad example because weapons have an ap value that does specify which armor is ignored. Saying a DP of khorne has the mark of khorne is not nearly as big a leap as saying my weapon does something that it clearly doesn't
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 16:50:03
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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The Hive Mind
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bagtagger wrote:Bad example because weapons have an ap value that does specify which armor is ignored. Saying a DP of khorne has the mark of khorne is not nearly as big a leap as saying my weapon does something that it clearly doesn't
All CC weapons have an AP value. Tyranid Boneswords also ignore armor. There are other weapons that do so as well.
Another example: Chaos Space Marines cannot ever win a game. Find the rule that proves that wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 17:06:09
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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rigeld2 wrote:bagtagger wrote:Bad example because weapons have an ap value that does specify which armor is ignored. Saying a DP of khorne has the mark of khorne is not nearly as big a leap as saying my weapon does something that it clearly doesn't
All CC weapons have an AP value. Tyranid Boneswords also ignore armor. There are other weapons that do so as well.
Another example: Chaos Space Marines cannot ever win a game. Find the rule that proves that wrong.
I'm not sure what you mean about the cc weapons as I mentioned that things have ap values. the cannot win the game thing comes down to the permissive rule set. Which I get, except that again you used a bad example. It is in the relm of possibility that a demon of khorne would count as having the mark of khorne it's only logical ( GW doesn't do anything based on logic however though lol), while the CSM cannot win example is just silly because we all know it doesn't say that in the book. Please don't insult my inteligence, I know how a permissive rule set works. I realize that it doesn't say that a dp of khorne has the mark of khorne and therefore your argument is stronger, but I do feel that it is a safe assumption that dp of khorne would count as having the mark of khorne.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 17:06:44
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Does a daemon prince have the option to take a Mark?
No.
Can a daemon prince be dedicated to a god? Yes
Is being dedicated to a god the same as taking a mark? No
Can a khorne daemon prince take an Axe of blind fury? No.
If you'd like some fluff for that, maybe since the daemon has no soul anymore he cannot empower the axe.
This is RAW, RAI and what we would like to see is a different story.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 17:09:20
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I admit that by stict raw you have me, but I bet TOs might rule it differently
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/14 17:19:55
Subject: more than 10 attacks
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Regular Dakkanaut
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bagtagger wrote:I admit that by stict raw you have me, but I bet TOs might rule it differently
I don't see how they would rule it differently, if they did they are making up their own rules
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