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Hey guys,

I was playing a friend who was running necrons the other day, when I charged him in combat and slaughtered him. Now I know when an entire squad like regular necron warriors die, the entire squad is destroyed and can't attempt to make any we'll be back rolls. However there was an overlord in the squad too, which also died. It would seem they have their own rule that they can come back with one wound on a roll of a 4+? It's a separate rule, I can't quite figure out the name atm as he is long gone. Ever living maybe?

My question is...... If an entire squad that he has joined, such as necron warriors is completely eliminated, can he still make that ever living roll? Does the rest of the necron squad die still? How does ever living work with challenges? I challenged his overlord with my captain..... Killed him but then he got straight back up.

Something also happened along the lines of him losing combat and the necron warriors falling back, but his overlord was living there "dead" on the ground in the challenge. Is the overlord treated as a second unit if the necron warriors have to fall back?

Thanks
Gloks

If the entire squad is killed only the overlord can come back IIRC, the rest are removed. I assume challenges would be the same deal and he'll keep coming back (not 100%)

Lords and Crypteks have the Ever Living rule. it basically makes them immune to the "unit wiped out" situation you described above.

it only counts for the Lord/'Te and NOT the unit.

Also, unless the Lord has a Res Orb it is a 5+ you need.

Everliving doesn't care if there are any models left in the unit. Note that the regular Warriors won't be able to get up, though, as the RP rules specifically state that Everliving models don't count toward the RP guys getting up.

What if my captain and some termies charge into combat, and my captain issues a challenge to the overlord joined in the squad, while my terminators kill all but 3 warriors. The warriors then fail their leadership while the overlord is "dead" on the ground..... How does that work? Can the warriors fall back and break from the squad leaving the overlord by himself? Or do they have to stay in combat.

For all intents and purposes, the lord is dead. Its only after the assault phase where RP and EL start their resurrection effects

Gloks wrote:
Hey guys,

I was playing a friend who was running necrons the other day, when I charged him in combat and slaughtered him. Now I know when an entire squad like regular necron warriors die, the entire squad is destroyed and can't attempt to make any we'll be back rolls. However there was an overlord in the squad too, which also died. It would seem they have their own rule that they can come back with one wound on a roll of a 4+? It's a separate rule, I can't quite figure out the name atm as he is long gone. Ever living maybe?

My question is...... If an entire squad that he has joined, such as necron warriors is completely eliminated, can he still make that ever living roll? Does the rest of the necron squad die still? How does ever living work with challenges? I challenged his overlord with my captain..... Killed him but then he got straight back up.

Even if the squad of Warriors is wiped out/broken, models with the Everliving rule get to roll to get back up. If they do you, place the model within 3" of where they fell. However, if you can't place the model at least 1" away from an enemy model the model stays dead. Everliving works the same way after a challenge as well. In a squad of Warriors with attached Crypteks/Lords that has everyone die, the Warriors stay dead while the Crypteks/Lords get to roll to come back, having the Everliving rule....and still counting as a scoring unit of Troops that can have Warriors added if there is a Ghost Ark nearby BTW.

Gloks wrote:
Something also happened along the lines of him losing combat and the necron warriors falling back, but his overlord was living there "dead" on the ground in the challenge. Is the overlord treated as a second unit if the necron warriors have to fall back?

The Overlord does become a second unit in this situation that is not locked in close combat as you "killed" him during the assault phase.

 Zathras wrote:

Gloks wrote:
Hey guys,

I was playing a friend who was running necrons the other day, when I charged him in combat and slaughtered him. Now I know when an entire squad like regular necron warriors die, the entire squad is destroyed and can't attempt to make any we'll be back rolls. However there was an overlord in the squad too, which also died. It would seem they have their own rule that they can come back with one wound on a roll of a 4+? It's a separate rule, I can't quite figure out the name atm as he is long gone. Ever living maybe?

My question is...... If an entire squad that he has joined, such as necron warriors is completely eliminated, can he still make that ever living roll? Does the rest of the necron squad die still? How does ever living work with challenges? I challenged his overlord with my captain..... Killed him but then he got straight back up.

Even if the squad of Warriors is wiped out/broken, models with the Everliving rule get to roll to get back up. If they do you, place the model within 3" of where they fell. However, if you can't place the model at least 1" away from an enemy model the model stays dead. Everliving works the same way after a challenge as well. In a squad of Warriors with attached Crypteks/Lords that has everyone die, the Warriors stay dead while the Crypteks/Lords get to roll to come back, having the Everliving rule....and still counting as a scoring unit of Troops that can have Warriors added if there is a Ghost Ark nearby BTW.

Gloks wrote:
Something also happened along the lines of him losing combat and the necron warriors falling back, but his overlord was living there "dead" on the ground in the challenge. Is the overlord treated as a second unit if the necron warriors have to fall back?

The Overlord does become a second unit in this situation that is not locked in close combat as you "killed" him during the assault phase.

Everliving states that if the character was part of a unit he comes back joining that unit, so if the lord dies and the unit flees, the lord would come back joined to the fleeing unit.

The only way to prevent the Lord from coming back (other than failing the dice roll) is if there is no place within 3" of where the model died to stand up in. (for example, if an entire unit spreads out and covers the ground so that there is no legal space to stand the Lord up)

But do I still get credit for winning the challenge? I had the personal trait to get a victory point for killing the aponent in a challenge. But is he only really dead unless he fails his ever living? Or does he die each time he falls over, thus giving me multiple victory points. You guys are saying that if he falls over, I've still technically won the challenge and thus breaking off from the challenge. But that makes no sense. I would have to get a victory point each time I "kill" him right?

Based on precedent (see Power From Pain, C: DE) The unit must be completely and irrevocably dead. Deceased. The unit must be no more. It must be an ex-unit.

So your telling me, Im still winning the challenge, and supposedly killing the mob then consolidating, and not getting any victory points or credit if it gets back up? thats unfortunate.

Yes, that is called "its necrons, deal with it"

bagtagger wrote:

 Zathras wrote:

Gloks wrote:
Hey guys,

I was playing a friend who was running necrons the other day, when I charged him in combat and slaughtered him. Now I know when an entire squad like regular necron warriors die, the entire squad is destroyed and can't attempt to make any we'll be back rolls. However there was an overlord in the squad too, which also died. It would seem they have their own rule that they can come back with one wound on a roll of a 4+? It's a separate rule, I can't quite figure out the name atm as he is long gone. Ever living maybe?

My question is...... If an entire squad that he has joined, such as necron warriors is completely eliminated, can he still make that ever living roll? Does the rest of the necron squad die still? How does ever living work with challenges? I challenged his overlord with my captain..... Killed him but then he got straight back up.

Even if the squad of Warriors is wiped out/broken, models with the Everliving rule get to roll to get back up. If they do you, place the model within 3" of where they fell. However, if you can't place the model at least 1" away from an enemy model the model stays dead. Everliving works the same way after a challenge as well. In a squad of Warriors with attached Crypteks/Lords that has everyone die, the Warriors stay dead while the Crypteks/Lords get to roll to come back, having the Everliving rule....and still counting as a scoring unit of Troops that can have Warriors added if there is a Ghost Ark nearby BTW.

Gloks wrote:
Something also happened along the lines of him losing combat and the necron warriors falling back, but his overlord was living there "dead" on the ground in the challenge. Is the overlord treated as a second unit if the necron warriors have to fall back?

The Overlord does become a second unit in this situation that is not locked in close combat as you "killed" him during the assault phase.

Everliving states that if the character was part of a unit he comes back joining that unit, so if the lord dies and the unit flees, the lord would come back joined to the fleeing unit.

Ah, did not know that and I play Necrons. It'll make it harder to prevent an Overlord from getting back up and easier to rally those units that are under 25% and falling back.

Gloks wrote:
So your telling me, Im still winning the challenge, and supposedly killing the mob then consolidating, and not getting any victory points or credit if it gets back up? thats unfortunate.

Remember that you don't calculate VPs until the game ends. That's why if an overlord gets back up you don't count as having killed him - he must be dead when the game ends.

bagtagger wrote:

Gloks wrote:
So your telling me, Im still winning the challenge, and supposedly killing the mob then consolidating, and not getting any victory points or credit if it gets back up? thats unfortunate.

Remember that you don't calculate VPs until the game ends. That's why if an overlord gets back up you don't count as having killed him - he must be dead when the game ends.

However, I think you get a VP if he is killed within the challange. Does this count even though he got back up, AFTER the challange? Because you did actually kill him within it. Curious.

Monasou wrote:

bagtagger wrote:

Gloks wrote:
So your telling me, Im still winning the challenge, and supposedly killing the mob then consolidating, and not getting any victory points or credit if it gets back up? thats unfortunate.

Remember that you don't calculate VPs until the game ends. That's why if an overlord gets back up you don't count as having killed him - he must be dead when the game ends.

However, I think you get a VP if he is killed within the challange. Does this count even though he got back up, AFTER the challange? Because you did actually kill him within it. Curious.

You calculate VP at the end of the game. If he's down when the game is over 1 VP, if he's up 0 VP.

Happyjew wrote:
Based on precedent (see Power From Pain, C: DE) The unit must be completely and irrevocably dead. Deceased. The unit must be no more. It must be an ex-unit.

Does it have to be pining for the fjords?


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 azazel the cat wrote:
The only way to prevent the Lord from coming back (other than failing the dice roll) is if there is no place within 3" of where the model died to stand up in. (for example, if an entire unit spreads out and covers the ground so that there is no legal space to stand the Lord up)

I don't know if the Necron FAQ states this, but the iPad version of the Necron Codex says that Everliving doesn't work if the model is replaced with something, such as a Chaos Spawn.

 undertow wrote:

Happyjew wrote:
Based on precedent (see Power From Pain, C: DE) The unit must be completely and irrevocably dead. Deceased. The unit must be no more. It must be an ex-unit.

Does it have to be pining for the fjords?


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 azazel the cat wrote:
The only way to prevent the Lord from coming back (other than failing the dice roll) is if there is no place within 3" of where the model died to stand up in. (for example, if an entire unit spreads out and covers the ground so that there is no legal space to stand the Lord up)

I don't know if the Necron FAQ states this, but the iPad version of the Necron Codex says that Everliving doesn't work if the model is replaced with something, such as a Chaos Spawn.

The PDF faq does state that.